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Old 12/08/09, 7:41 AM   #6976
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Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
"Conquer" could be the important part of that. Unleashing all the Scourge at once would cause tremendous damage, since the armies of Azeroth couldn't be everywhere at the same time. But it would also leave the Scourge army divided and easy to destroy once the armies of Azeroth did catch up with them. If Arthas is thinking like a human prince, he believes the key to winning the war is to destroy the armies of his enemies - and that requires a unified Scourge army.
That makes sense, except for the part where he divided his army and attacked both Stormwind and Ogrimmar at the same time. -_-

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Old 12/08/09, 7:46 AM   #6977
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Originally Posted by Cyprien View Post
1) He is probably kind of ticked off at being defeated and imprisoned. Rage can be a powerful tool.
2) If he is able to cross the elemental plane on his way to Azeroth, it is possible that somehow Deathwing has become part elemental, much like Arthas being only sort of undead.
It's not that I don't believe that he can cause Cataclysm. It's just that so far Blizzard haven't bothered with providing good explanation, and i'm afraid that they wouldn't. Same thing with Arthas actually.

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Old 12/08/09, 8:13 AM   #6978
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I think it will be good if it just happens and we're devastated and left piecing together what actually happened and why during the expansion.

But yer, Old God power up is the most likely. I got the impression from the comic previews and bits of spoilers posted on Scrolls of Lore and here though that it was never named as C'thun powering up Cho'gall, despite the proximity of his corpse. I wonder if we might not see a 3rd Old God appearing. Perhaps the one from the War of the Ancients that attacked Nozdormu/Naga'd the Highborne.

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Old 12/08/09, 9:17 AM   #6979
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I think it will be good if it just happens and we're devastated and left piecing together what actually happened and why during the expansion.
I like that idea. It is so much better when you have to actually think about a story and decide what happened for yourself then when the creators just come right out and say it.

There is another possiblility that I have not seen. Everyone seems to think that Deathwing causes the cataclysm. But what if he is simply taking advantage of the situation? So instead of Deathwing's awakening=Cataclysm it is Cataclysm=Deathwing's awakening.

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Old 12/08/09, 9:46 AM   #6980
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Looks like the patch is going live today, so with any luck we should get some answers. Unless of course Blizzard has waited to put in the later boss encounters until they are playable.

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Old 12/08/09, 9:58 AM   #6981
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I just saw the Cataclysm as carelessness on Deathwing's part (or possibly intentional). Travel between planes/dimensions/what-have-you is like airlocks. You are very careful not to disturb either end unduly. Instead of using the airlock, Deathwing has punched a hole in the wall (Oh, yeah!) and sauntered through. This is unpleasant for Azeroth, and very likely the Elemental Plane of Earth as well.

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Old 12/08/09, 10:08 AM   #6982
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Originally Posted by Elhandil View Post
If that is true, why do we need a new Lich King to control the Scourge remnant ? ;-)
While in lack of leaders, you have to remember Scourge casualties aren't actually that big a percentage of the whole army. As I've pointed before, we've fought the Scourge through "take out the head" operations, so most of the army is still alive. Plus, there's casualties on our side every day, corpses still ripe for raising, etc. The last Scourge frontal assaults were Quel'thalas and Dalaran, and we know how those went - downhill steamroll. And it's now significantly bigger, even without the Lich King (which wasn't present at either of those battles, as well).

Are you completely sure Varian would rush to stop a Scourge invasion on Horde territory? I know he's not a monster, but it wouldn't be the first time a general considered letting another army serve as speed bump for a common enemy - of course, without the other knowing. As to the inverse situation, I do think Thrall would like to go to the Alliance's aid, but there's the question of Garrosh's growing influence...

Honestly, I can't find a suitable explanation for Arthas' "holding back" attitude. Yes, it could be explained by his regal background and education, him raising a kingdom before taking on the other races. Yet the minute we get to Northrend, it's already full of camps and bases of the Horde/Alliance and we pretty much plow through every Scourge operation. No, it's...really not working. It doesn't make sense. As a general, you do the best you can with what you have. If your troop numbers vastly outweight you opponent's, you use that, period, unless they have something that nullifies that advantage. As long as Arthas doesn't just send his forces towards the front gate and waits to see what happens - and we know both him andNer'zhul to be good strategists - he should be able to take any enemy base in Azeroth.

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Old 12/08/09, 10:33 AM   #6983
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Originally Posted by Emeraude
That makes sense, except for the part where he divided his army and attacked both Stormwind and Ogrimmar at the same time.
There's a great difference between "divide the army in two" and "divide the army into thousands of tiny sub-units that attack every living sentient on the planet", which is what Uther says would happen.

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Old 12/08/09, 11:12 AM   #6984
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Originally Posted by Delores Mulva View Post
There's a great difference between "divide the army in two" and "divide the army into thousands of tiny sub-units that attack every living sentient on the planet", which is what Uther says would happen.
There's also a difference in attacking two heavily fortified, fully manned strongholds and attacking every single undefended town, homestead and farm across Azeroth. Undoubtedly, the latter would cause a lot more long-term damage, even if it would be a lot easier to defeat by any organized band of heroes. It would be especially worse if this would all happen suddenly and simultaneously, meaning that there's hardly going to be any chance of defenders being around when it happens.

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Old 12/08/09, 11:19 AM   #6985
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Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
That makes sense, except for the part where he divided his army and attacked both Stormwind and Ogrimmar at the same time. -_-
Wasn't the point of Arthas attacking Stormwind and Orgrimmar luring the Alliance and Horde to Northrend so he could capture the Heroes of the Alliance and Horde and turn them to his own will (rather than merely slaughter and raise them) so that he'd have the forces he needs to combat the Burning Legion when they attempt return to Azeroth?

He accomplished his goal with Saurfang. He's still trying with Bolvar. I wouldn't be too shocked if part of the Arthas encounter in the final raid involves him turning the players temporarily, until Bolvar does something to shatter the Lich King's hold on the raid.

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Old 12/08/09, 2:10 PM   #6986
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Looks like the patch is going live today, so with any luck we should get some answers. Unless of course Blizzard has waited to put in the later boss encounters until they are playable.
Everything is in except anything dealing with Arthas which will be patched in when hes about to be opened.

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Old 12/08/09, 2:25 PM   #6987
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Originally Posted by awa64 View Post
Wasn't the point of Arthas attacking Stormwind and Orgrimmar luring the Alliance and Horde to Northrend so he could capture the Heroes of the Alliance and Horde and turn them to his own will (rather than merely slaughter and raise them) so that he'd have the forces he needs to combat the Burning Legion when they attempt return to Azeroth?

He accomplished his goal with Saurfang. He's still trying with Bolvar. I wouldn't be too shocked if part of the Arthas encounter in the final raid involves him turning the players temporarily, until Bolvar does something to shatter the Lich King's hold on the raid.
It would certainly be an interesting twist if we had to do battle with the Ashen Verdict at some point in the Arthas encounter.

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Old 12/08/09, 5:45 PM   #6988
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Originally Posted by Cyprien View Post
I like that idea. It is so much better when you have to actually think about a story and decide what happened for yourself then when the creators just come right out and say it.

There is another possiblility that I have not seen. Everyone seems to think that Deathwing causes the cataclysm. But what if he is simply taking advantage of the situation? So instead of Deathwing's awakening=Cataclysm it is Cataclysm=Deathwing's awakening.
Will see i guess.

I just realized something. Orgrimmar stands above network of volcanic caverns - Ragefire chasm. How the hell it is going to survive Cataclysm?

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Old 12/08/09, 6:42 PM   #6989
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Maybe it's all the iron Garrosh uses on the Walls...That's a little too "detailish" for a fantasy game, no?

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The name of the patch, the trailer, the wallpaper...I'd say everything about this patch is too "revealing" (of course we know Arthas will be killed) about what's to befall the Lich King. Maybe they mean to make any minor accomplishment of his on the instance significant - like, say, kill a major character. But it's as if every character in the game knows for sure that the Lich is going down.

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Old 12/08/09, 8:07 PM   #6990
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It's possible, though improbable, that this ties into Bolvar's expected sacrifice. Remember that most people involved in the game are not following this thread and are getting all of their lore from trailers and in-game sources. Blizzard may be building a unified sense that the Lich King is sure to fall, only to surprise us when his continued existence becomes a necessity.

Again, possible, but Blizzard's past storylines places some doubt on the idea of them intentionally deceiving us in this manner.

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