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Old 10/02/08, 10:50 AM   #721
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Originally Posted by Tipme View Post
I'm confused as to what the problem is here. That Sylvanas and Alexstraza are practically the same model or that Alexstraza is showing too much skin?

Well, come on, it's Blizzard, do you remember the artwork for Starcraft Ghost main character Nova? Plate armor on human females in classic WoW...


Actually from what it seems, Sylvanas based on Be model and Alextraza based on Draenei model.

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Old 10/02/08, 10:56 AM   #722
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No. That's definitely a female Blood Elf.

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Paladins do have an ability to heal multiple people at once. It's called Divine Storm. ><

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Old 10/03/08, 1:34 AM   #723
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Originally Posted by Tipme View Post
I'm confused as to what the problem is here. That Sylvanas and Alexstraza are practically the same model or that Alexstraza is showing too much skin?

Well, come on, it's Blizzard, do you remember the artwork for Starcraft Ghost main character Nova? Plate armor on human females in classic WoW...
They've gotten better about that in general in WoW though. And as for the models, Sylvanas looks the part of a very powerful undead elf ranger that will kill you in a heartbeat if she decides you're an enemy. Alexstraza is much more powerful, but doesn't look it at all from that pic - a dragon aspect that's in the middle of stories including having to intervene to destroy a plague unleashed at Wrathgate, and to ultimately be the driving force behind the killing of another dragon aspect, should have a bit more purposeful look than that really... the fertility goddess people are referencing typically in mythology weren't the among the most powerful of the gods, certainly not in terms of brute force - Alexstraza could level entire armies, and is the leader of what currently appears to be the least fragmented and damaged of the 5 dragonflights. She should look regal and powerful, and she just doesn't... it's not so much the amount of skin, it's that she looks more like a slutty blood elf socialite more than a dragon aspect ><

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Old 10/03/08, 2:30 AM   #724
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I think a very applicable fix for that would be to give her a sort of resonating aura. You know, a visible, reddish aura, and maybe the ability to have flowers and grass sprout at her feet. It would really sort of reinforce her aspect and maybe also give that sense of power. (Birds should follow her around, imho)

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Hey guys, I heard that Blizzard puts out these things called "patches" that contain "content"
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Yeah but it hasn't happened since Ulduar.

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Old 10/03/08, 2:31 AM   #725
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Last I checked Ishtar and Kali were among the most powerful of gods. In fact, Ishtar is routinely referred to as the Sumerian Super Goddess and she plays quite a part in the epic Gilgamesh.

And hell, Kali was born to do what a man could not. One of the origin myths of Kali, she was created to destroy a demon niether man nor god (but not a goddess) could destroy.

Hera, Hathor, Freya, Serket, Artemis: all powerful Goddesses, though certainly some of them aren't Zeus or what not.

Portrayals of Kali, born a warrior, almost never has her armored.

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Old 10/03/08, 5:06 AM   #726
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Originally Posted by Spiry View Post
I do find it strange that she is also wearing a tattered cloak. Then again it is Sylvanus's cloak, which fits her better.
It actually matches her wings in dragon-form, being slightly transparent and the same color.

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Old 10/04/08, 3:00 AM   #727
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In many game and book series, dragons are said to have no need for clothing or understand why mortals insist on wearing them. Warcraft is no different. Hell, its a game played by mostly male gamers. Even in the real world different cultures have different standards for dress and appearance.

I reject your paltry reality and substitute my own.

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Old 10/04/08, 3:21 AM   #728
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Originally Posted by Tyrn View Post
or understand why mortals insist on wearing them.
Well, depending on climate, clothing can be very important. Dragons would have to be pretty dense to not see the utility of warm clothing in a wintery place for the hairless apes.

Beyond that, there's clothing for decoration, and considering Alextrasza's horn decorations I think she understands that just fine.

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Old 10/05/08, 1:22 PM   #729
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Just finishing up Zul'drak recently, it was nice to see the apperance of all the ZA bosses there and us "saving" them. Along with some other animal gods that play a role there. I would think Blizzard has a good setup there for another troll raid.

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Old 10/06/08, 3:26 PM   #730
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Originally Posted by Starfire View Post
Last I checked Ishtar and Kali were among the most powerful of gods. In fact, Ishtar is routinely referred to as the Sumerian Super Goddess and she plays quite a part in the epic Gilgamesh.

And hell, Kali was born to do what a man could not. One of the origin myths of Kali, she was created to destroy a demon niether man nor god (but not a goddess) could destroy.

Hera, Hathor, Freya, Serket, Artemis: all powerful Goddesses, though certainly some of them aren't Zeus or what not.

Portrayals of Kali, born a warrior, almost never has her armored.

Agreed. Kali is also the goddess of death, chaos and war. Artemis, virgin goddess of hunting, is also frequently portrayed naked or close to it. Many fertility goddesses were also goddesses of death and war.

As for regal, Queen Victoria is not the only female ruler in history, nor was she the first.

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Old 10/06/08, 5:10 PM   #731
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If you guys want to pick a bone about NPC's not seeming powerful, then lets start with Thrall looking extremely cartooney. His armor and weapons are true to Thrall, but they definitely could use an upgrade to make them look less shiny and Toys-R-Us like and more gritty and 'Hero of the Horde' like. I honestly hope all faction leaders are getting artwork reform: Sylvannas and Varimithas look positively awesome. Alexstrazsa as well.

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Old 10/07/08, 10:49 AM   #732
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Originally Posted by Aditu View Post
If you guys want to pick a bone about NPC's not seeming powerful, then lets start with Thrall looking extremely cartooney. His armor and weapons are true to Thrall, but they definitely could use an upgrade to make them look less shiny and Toys-R-Us like and more gritty and 'Hero of the Horde' like. I honestly hope all faction leaders are getting artwork reform: Sylvannas and Varimithas look positively awesome. Alexstrazsa as well.
Jaina's lvl 52 green quest gear also needs to go.

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Old 10/08/08, 3:35 AM   #733
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Originally Posted by Sydane View Post
All shapeshifters fundamentally understand the power that perception and form hold. In a violent, male dominated universe (which Azeroth is), using sexuality puts her in a greater position of power and control over those she would encounter.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
I'm pretty sure if it came down to something really important Alexstrasza doesn't have to worry about power and control being left to chance... you saw what Victor Nefarian did to Vael, right (or the orcish civilization comprising Blackrock Mountain/the Steppes) or what Onyxia did to a vast number of cultists/humans in her plots? Now imagine someone with power greater than their father.

The only entities Alexstrasza would have to influence on fair footing would be other Aspects, incredibly powerful cosmic forces like Elune or the Titans, or incredibly evil powers like Arthas or Kil'jaeden, and her ability to seduce would be irrelevant amongst them.

(and specifically taking high elven form is gonna have just as much effect making night elves and draenei naturally suspicious of her and orcs/trolls/taurens/dwarves/gnomes probably revolted by her as it gains in allowing seductive influence over humans and blood elves)

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Old 10/08/08, 6:50 PM   #734
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Just to take this off course for a second, but how many think that Yogg-Saron will end up being the final boss in the Ulduar Raid dungeon instead of being part of a future Azjol-Nerub raid instance? It sounds like that is the direction Blizzard is going currently. I really really hope we get to see more of Azjol-Nerub instead of just the two short 5-man's. If Yogg-Saron is the final boss inside of Ulduar, I think a Azjol-Nerub raid instance doesnt happen personally.

Additionally, if Yogg-Saron does not end up being part of Ulduar, what do you think the big final boss lore target will be inside there?

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Old 10/08/08, 8:07 PM   #735
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Originally Posted by Opioid View Post
(and specifically taking high elven form is gonna have just as much effect making night elves and draenei naturally suspicious of her and orcs/trolls/taurens/dwarves/gnomes probably revolted by her as it gains in allowing seductive influence over humans and blood elves)
Perhaps a more apt solution would have Alexstrasza appear as the race of the player.

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