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elliss · 02/19/10, 4:11 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but I was wondering about stormrage's affiliation in game wowwiki states. He is grateful to the orc and human armies for their assistance against the Burning Legion and welcomes visitors of those races with open arms. He also holds great respect for tauren and dwarve.
So does this make him neutral?
The fact still remains he is the leader of the nightelves and Cenarion Circle .
How can he be the leader of an alliance faction and a neutral faction at the same time?

Leviathon · 02/19/10, 5:26 PM

Originally Posted by elliss

Pardon my ignorance, but I was wondering about stormrage's affiliation in game wowwiki states. He is grateful to the orc and human armies for their assistance against the Burning Legion and welcomes visitors of those races with open arms. He also holds great respect for tauren and dwarve.
So does this make him neutral?
The fact still remains he is the leader of the nightelves and Cenarion Circle .
How can he be the leader of an alliance faction and a neutral faction at the same time?

Tyrande is the leader of the night elves. It's kinda like how Rhonin is neutral leading Dalaran while his wife leads a Alliance faction.

Originally Posted by Aildrik

There seems to be a lot of inconsistency when it comes to the death of demons, even more specifically, pit lords. Consider that in Hellfire Peninsula, you have the rotting remains of Aggonar and yet when you kill Magtheridon, his body vanishes and leaves only his armor behind. In the Mt.Hyjal CoT raid, I think the pit lord boss there does leave behind a corpse.

I wish Blizzard would pay more attention to this kind of stuff, but I chalk it up to Blizzard going with whatever works at the time/place versus being tied down by a very specific and rigid set of lore.

I think they purposely only let Magtheridon do that death animation since it's 'cooler' as initially all Pit Lords could do either animation when dying. It's kinda like how Archimonde had a unique death animation instead of just falling over like every other Eredar.

elliss · 02/19/10, 5:54 PM

I did think about Rhonin, but wowwiki have their occupations different.
Stormrage,
Occupation Archdruid of the night elves, Arch-druid of the Moonglade
Rhonin,
Occupation Leader of the Kirin Tor
It clearly stats Stormrage is the archdruid of an alliance faction.
That's a retcon or wowwiki needs to update it information .
I'm trying to figure it out since Stormrage is one my favorite characters and having neutral realy realy sucks!

Kaejin · 02/19/10, 5:57 PM

I believe after Mount Hyjal, were it not for WoW and the Night Elves being part of the Alliance, the NE and Horde would have been at least neutral towards each other. Obviously they had a rocky start because of Grom, but by the time they defeated Archimond at the World Tree, Thrall seemed to get along with them extremely well.

Tyrande and Darnassus as a whole being hostile towards the Horde is more of an oddity than Malfurion respecting them and greeting them with open arms, in the same way that it doesn't make sense that the Warsong Clan is still running a lumber operation in Ashenvale (seeing as Grom is dead, and Thrall and the NE had more than ample opportunity to negotiate). It's incongruities created by the "gameplay first, lore second" mindset.

The Cenarion Circle seems more like where you would have expected NE society to end up as a whole after the Third War, politically.

Or at least these are the conclusions I've drawn.

elliss · 02/19/10, 6:29 PM

Mount hyjal was not the only time races united against a threat , war of the shifting sands is another, and also to an extent wrathgate .
It is still clearly stated that nightelves did not get along with nether trolls nore orcs.
Doesn't mean they can't get along for a while to eliminate a threat then return to their own issues with one another .
So why would hyjal be an exeption , humans were present there as well doesn't mean they welcome trolls and orcs as well.

Sh4d0wfury · 02/19/10, 7:34 PM

Originally Posted by Leviathon

I think they purposely only let Magtheridon do that death animation since it's 'cooler' as initially all Pit Lords could do either animation when dying. It's kinda like how Archimonde had a unique death animation instead of just falling over like every other Eredar.

Also, we do get Magtheridon's head. His corpse dissapearing is probably just a cool, non-canon death.

Leviathon · 02/19/10, 9:14 PM

Anduin has grown up in 3.3.3.

Helion is in the files also but I can't get his texture to load. Bit more to come.

The biggest thing we found was a Expansion03 folder with Twilight Hammer doodads which included banners and portals. I would imagine these will be for the world event.

Earth Portal

Fire Portal

Water Portal

Air Portal

Twilight Hammer Banners

Twilight Hammer Altar

There are also several devices which will likely be things you click on.

KrinKer · 02/19/10, 10:09 PM

Appareantly 3.3.3 will also have us go to gnomeregan for the retaking and something with trolls (trolls getting their own city after getting kicked out of Orgrimmar?)

Leviathon · 02/19/10, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by KrinKer

Appareantly 3.3.3 will also have us go to gnomeregan for the retaking and something with trolls (trolls getting their own city after getting kicked out of Orgrimmar?)

I doubt it's for 3.3.3 and more just something added for a event prior to Cataclysm.

KrinKer · 02/19/10, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Leviathon

I doubt it's for 3.3.3 and more just something added for a event prior to Cataclysm.

My bad, I meant prior to Cataclysm (and it's from MMO btw)

Leviathon · 02/19/10, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by KrinKer

(and it's from MMO btw)

What's that have to do with anything?

KrinKer · 02/19/10, 10:50 PM

I was just telling you guys where I got the info.

Liebestod · 02/19/10, 10:54 PM

When I first heard that the new raid was going to be the Ruby Sanctum, I thought to myself, "Wow, I thought the Red Dragonflight would be the hardest to make since they're the only flight that's largely uncorrupted."

But now they're putting a Twilight Dragon in instead. Color me unimpressed. Sounds like they're doing what they should have done with Sartharion originally, and what they should do by expanding the Obsidian Sanctum otherwise. Yes, I understand that we might get an actual Cataclysm tie-in, but still. Vaelstrasz 2.0 would've been fun.

Also, the Stormrage stuff.... damn you, Knaak! I really like the idea of Xavius being behind things - he's not an A-list villain, as someone said, but he's there and he can be developed and he really isn't a bad choice of a major villain behind Azshara and Deathwing. And yeah, I'd prefer he come back Dreadlord-style over just sitting out in the future. But resolving the whole Emerald Nightmare sounds like a way of downplaying the Emerald Dream in future content, which I was kinda looking forward to. Wonder if Blizzard is trying to rush through the remaining potential content because they'd like to close up WoW within the next 5 years or something.

Leviathon · 02/19/10, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Liebestod

When I first heard that the new raid was going to be the Ruby Sanctum, I thought to myself, "Wow, I thought the Red Dragonflight would be the hardest to make since they're the only flight that's largely uncorrupted."

But now they're putting a Twilight Dragon in instead. Color me unimpressed. Sounds like they're doing what they should have done with Sartharion originally, and what they should do by expanding the Obsidian Sanctum otherwise. Yes, I understand that we might get an actual Cataclysm tie-in, but still. Vaelstrasz 2.0 would've been fun.

Also, the Stormrage stuff.... damn you, Knaak! I really like the idea of Xavius being behind things - he's not an A-list villain, as someone said, but he's there and he can be developed and he really isn't a bad choice of a major villain behind Azshara and Deathwing. And yeah, I'd prefer he come back Dreadlord-style over just sitting out in the future. But resolving the whole Emerald Nightmare sounds like a way of downplaying the Emerald Dream in future content, which I was kinda looking forward to. Wonder if Blizzard is trying to rush through the remaining potential content because they'd like to close up WoW within the next 5 years or something.

The Nightmare isn't resolved though nor was he behind it. He was just one of the higher ups in the corruption as far as I can see so far since I haven't read anything saying the book says it's gone.

Kaejin · 02/19/10, 11:59 PM

The dragon theme that the Twilight's Hammer doodads are sporting is interesting to note.

At this point it's hard to see the Twilight's Hammer as anything other than professional henchmen for Old God related villains. I have to wonder how they keep organized enough so that Twilight's Hammer group A doesn't side with Elemental B that opposes Elemental C that's conscripted Twilight's Hammer group D.