NONE of this is a fact. Unlike the Vol'jin/Garosh confrontation, there have been no confirming screenshots/movies or even a link to an outside source for any of this stuff. If there is one, post it so we can evaluate it. Until then, I'm assuming any storyline stuff that gets posted without proof should be treated on the same level as fanfic.

I mean, if you've been following this thread, it's clear Leviathon has been posting all this original stuff. Pretty sure if you're saying you don't believe it, you're basically asking him to prove that he's in the Alpha. Which is probably a fruitless endeavor.

I wish I was in the Alpha but unfortunately they don't let fansites (even official ones) in the Alpha. :p The Alpha forums were bugged last night and this morning and people who weren't in the Alpha could see the forums if they transferred a character to the PTR.

Aye, also there is some interesting old god situations on stonetalon and yes the cairne bit was said on the forums, though it did not make clear how hellscream dealt the final blow.

I managed to get on the forums to before the fix. But I wont say more then backing up unconfirmed rumors which where said earlier.

Also take this with a grain of salt (as ghostcrawler has joked before) GC said on the alpha forums thats drawf and troll warlocks were not a bug (people where complaining about no warlock trainers in starting areas.)

So that kinda shows how much dark irons are intergrating into ironforge.

Though what I am wondering about. In the MMO champ topic it said they escaped, could this mean they are a splinter group from the main dark iron kingdom? So shadowforge itself is still filled with dark irons that want to kill us in the firelords name.

Also you remember the map at blizzcon showing a new instance at thousand needles. There isnt one, they are just moving one of the razorthen instances to the thousand needles map.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...may/ss1324.jpg

Beauty appears to be your standard Core Hound as was first suspected. No Gronn around, but she does have adorable pups. I expect this means they were trying to breed her.

After speaking with someone a bit it seems the bit on Varian being hated is un-true along with Moira dying. The Alliance part of the story I am a bit skeptical on still but it parts fit in enough for me personally with what we have seen on the Alpha.

While I am glad that they actually try to salvage the disaster that is Garrosh (not becuase he is a warmonger but because he is a weak character with no basis for being the way he is), I have a real hard time believing the redemption. Not that I doubt the validity per se, I'm not believing it as believable.

I mean Varian's redemption came as he allowed Saurfang to get his son's corpse, an act of kindness and one that made sense due to his own losses. Basically that one act made him a human again, and not just a pissed off rager. Garrosh, he lacks background, he lacks reason... Why would he suddenly begin to listen to what Saurfang has said? He respected Cairne, easily believable, but him causing the death of him won't be enough to push him from "kill all enemies, potential as well as current ones" (remember how he commented the killing of the Draenei children in Warsong Hold). I understand that killinf Cairne would make him sad, perhaps even depressed for a while, but to go from there to caring about civilians? I hope we get a lot more explaination on this (gradual events as he discovers his mistakes for instance), as it is far from enough to make his redemption convinceable right now.

The Wrynn situation. Hardly surprising. Varian is does carry himself with some bluster, so if the damage to Stormwind is to grab Onyxia's head then I can understand his people's anger. The Dwarven intervention... What else could he have done, aside from letting some trusted general lead it? He did the right thing.

I'd imagine that will be something they touch upon in the zone. It will probably be something along the lines of Garrosh having his army take over the clan now that they have had no leader for some time.

The Dragonmaws are indeed a strange story here.

But it isn't impossible to see them included if they make amends for their past transgressions to Alexstrasza herself. If they do come to their senses, try and patch up stuff, good old Alex isn't too good to at least accept it, if never loving them. She accepted the Blacks at Wyrmrest, and they are quite a bit worse than the Dragonmaw. They have to be quite sincere though.
The New Horde would be happy to see more Orcs return to their old roots, and the Dragonmaws would bring a lot of helpful expetise in regards to the dragonslaying/dragonhunting business.
But joining the Horde would lead to other, more interesting, developments. Such as what to do with all the Dragonmaw possessions in the Wetlands. They are technically the largest military force there, with the Alliance confined to their camps. I doubt the Horde will siddenly just be getting an entire zone into their hands. Similarly it would ruin the entire zone if the Dragonmaws simply left, and it would be quite strange too. Why would they? They are pretty safe there, they are strong, they have a lot of natural resouces and a lot of easily defensible positions. I wouldn't buy a line of "we are exposed here, the Alliance is coming for us." Well, I guess it is doable, but it would require a good deal of reasoning. If they are suddenly forced to leave why on Earth were they allowed to stay for so long?

And of course... I just don't like the Dragonmaws, they are the pinnacle of poor judgement and a posterboy of the Old Horde (right behind the Blackrock clan). What's next? Fel Orcs?

I'm not sure it will be much different than the way the Horde took over Shadowmoon Village and Thunderlord Stronghold, or the way the Shattered Hand still exists in the new Horde despite originally being Kargath's clan and also existing in Illidan's Horde in Outlands.

After the quest line in Dragonblight where you're asked to do some favors for the Accord to show good faith and beg forgiveness for the Old Horde's crimes against the Red Flight, I find it impossible to believe that the New Horde would take in the Dragonmaws as they exist now. It seems more likely that they would go into the Wetlands/Twilight Highlands, slaughter the remaining Dragonmaws there and claim whatever tactical positions they hold, then just name the troops they station there the new Dragonmaw clan or what have you.

The old Dragonmaws are essentially irredeemable and the mortal enemies of the Red Flight. The death and rebirth of the clan would be poetic and to the Red Flight's liking I would think.

Lets also not forget that there's a felorc branch of the Dragonmaw clan still in Outlands as well. Many clans have different sects. The Shattered Hand was already mentioned (and also not exclusively orc anymore, like many other clans), the Bleeding Hallow clan has a felorc sect and a Mag'har sect (led by Jorin Deadeye as seen in Nagrand).

The Twilight's Hammer was of course originally an Orc Clan, much like the Burning Blade (origin of the Blademasters) and the Searing Blade clans.

A lot of things happen to orc clans. They're not exactly cohesive governments that have regular meetings every Saturday at the local pub.

The kingdom of Stormwind is now pretty much it for Humanity now; Strom, Arathor - gone, Lordaeron - gone, Kul Tiras - what have they been doing for the last 5 years? Gilneas - Been trapped in a self imposed exile and dealing with their own problems for some time now.

Jaina even considers Wryn to be "Her King" (see ICC) so her outranking him is a no.

It's pretty hard to argue that Wryn is not the top dog for humanity, like it or not Stormwind is essentially the Capital City for the entire alliance (cf racial 'Quarters') and Wryn is the only leader who shows any leadership of any kind, so yeah he is the leader of the alliance, to try and argue he is not even the highest ranking human is daft.