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Old 08/19/08, 8:00 AM   #76
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Originally Posted by Mikari View Post
Is that horde or alliance? I've done enough quests in Dragonblight to get the achievement, so I think that's all/most of them and I don't recall one that mentioned Galakrond.
It's horde. You get it after you finish all the angmars hammer and venomspite quests and you get sent to the wrathgate to talk with Saurfang the younger. I would assume there is a similar quest for the alliance base at the gate.

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Old 08/19/08, 8:16 AM   #77
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Originally Posted by Starfire View Post
Well, if I remember correctly... its Amnennar the Coldbringer in Barrens tied to the Scourge?
He is. There's a WotLK in-game book that explains a bit about how it came there to build an army of undead Quillboars as a base of operations for Barrens.

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Old 08/19/08, 8:18 AM   #78
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Originally Posted by Jabez View Post
It's horde. You get it after you finish all the angmars hammer and venomspite quests and you get sent to the wrathgate to talk with Saurfang the younger. I would assume there is a similar quest for the alliance base at the gate.
Yah, it's mentioned in the alliance version too.

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Old 08/19/08, 1:53 PM   #79
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Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
He is. There's a WotLK in-game book that explains a bit about how it came there to build an army of undead Quillboars as a base of operations for Barrens.
Don't tease, start sharing please.

On that note, its good to see Blizzard hasn't forgotten this previously somewhat obscure Scourge "soldier".

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Old 08/19/08, 3:40 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by Stromni View Post
finishing off with purifying the bear god Ursoc
And skinning the corpse!

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Old 08/19/08, 3:54 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Cranberry View Post
The Vrykul's "curse" (i.e., humans) is an interesting bit. Why DID the Vrykul start mutating into humans, if not from the Titans? If the Titans didn't do it, who did? It's possible, I guess, that Ymiron is involved simply to manipulate himself into greater power.
This is an interesting point, and I suspect that it might have to do with the "curse of the flesh" which has caused the "de-evolution" from the original Titanic creations (Giants, iron dwarves/vykrul, mechagnomes, etc.) to the modern races. Granted, the Vykrul seem just as fleshy as humans, but I think that if we see the "curse of the flesh" explained it'll address the Vykrul/human lore as well.

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Old 08/20/08, 4:13 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by Starfire View Post
Don't tease, start sharing please.

On that note, its good to see Blizzard hasn't forgotten this previously somewhat obscure Scourge "soldier".
Deathknight.info has a screenshot of the book

DeathKnight.info

(You can't link pictures directly there, they look at Referer to avoid deep linking)

Tartek The Enraged
One of the most powerful abominations the Scourge has ever created. Assembled by lich Amennar the Coldbringer to assist in setting a base in Razorfen Downs, Tartek single-handedly felled down more than 1200 quillboars before being overcome. His sacrifice provided the corpses for Amennar to quickly an undead quillboar army of his own, ultimately creating the first major Scourge outpost on Kalimdor. Some of Tartek's remains were reanimated and used to create Glutton, Amennar"s current lieutenant.

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Old 08/20/08, 10:09 PM   #83
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In regards to all of the references to "the razing of Orgrimmar", I really haven't read that much into it. From my perspective, it's merely an explanation as to why the Horde have suddenly adopted the "WC2" look for all of their Northrend architecture. (Black, "molten" fortresses surrounded by heavily re-inforced steel/spiked blockades)

When I first arrived at Valiance Keep and wandered Northwest to discover the Horde base, I was absolutely amazed. I looked at the fortress and thought, "Wow. Back to the good old days of WarCraft 2..."

So this would obviously explain why he says, "Look around you. This is the result of their assault" or whatever, as the Northrend outposts are far more advanced (defensively) than Orgrimmar or any of the Azeroth/Outlands buildings.

As for LHC, I'm fairly certain I recall the word "artifact" being used when I was levelling my Death Knight. Something about a holy artifact existing beneath LHC - and those particular individuals being charged with the responsibility of protecting it? Arthas attacked LHC *knowing* that Tirion would show up to defend it. Whatever is buried underneath LHC must be pretty damn important for him to risk everything to defend it. If it were just "some holy ground" then I really don't think it'd be worth the risk. (A small group of defenders surrounded by scourge, putting their lives on the line to defend a measly church? Somehow I don't think so.)

Without looking into the origin of the Chapel, the title of "Lights Hope" really does inspire some thought into what might exist down there.

Another question that has been plaguing my mind since the first moment I stepped foot in Dragonblight - why are Blue Drakonids defending Wyrmrest Temple against the Blue Dragonflight assault? Who is commanding them, and what caused them to defect? This really gives me the impression that we'll be seeing a blue embassador sometime soon. Kalecgos, perhaps? He really does fit the job description, with his history and recent efforts at the Sunwell Plateau.

And then there's still so many questions...
- Nozdormu. What IS going on there?? Is Chromie oblivious? Will the IDF participate in Northrend? Why is Nozdormu going to so much trouble to mask his identity as the IDF leader? What is he trying to achieve? With all of the Titan involvement in Northrend, now is a good time for us to discover his intent. Is he really trying to prevent his own death? Or perhaps trying to enforce it? This is one of the most fascinating parts of the story I simply can't wait to unveil.

- The same goes for Deathwing. Where is he, what is he doing? Some people speculated that he might be held captive somewhere; but the Netherwing saga suggests that he is by no means a captive.

- The Old God beneath AN. We know that it was him who corrupted the World Tree in Grizzly Hills. We know that his blood is used to reinforce the walls of Icecrown. It's assumed that this Old God was the same one that Arthas and Anub'Arak fought during their Northrend journey... but what became of him? He obviously survived, but is he working with Arthas now? Are we killing him purely to prevent further corruption of Northrend, or as an accomplice to The Lich King?

- The EPL/DK/Naxx timeline is really quite confusing. I specifically recall doing the quest for Noth where he speaks of creating a cauldron to spread his plagues... so this gives us the impression that we're operating before the cauldrons in EPL were distributed. But then we read Scarlet letters about the "miracle" of Naxxramas departing the plaguelands. But as we progress towards the end of the DK introductory quests, it's obvious that we're participating in the present. Tirion's title and armor is one fair indication of that, along with the absence of Inigo Montoy. So at some point you could nearly conclude that a level 55 DK exists before the Naxxramas invasion. And as you progress towards 56/57, you surpass the invasion and catch up with recent events. It's hard to imagine that so much can occur simultaneously. The best estimate I can comprehend is that the Naxx invasion and defeat is occuring whilst you're doing the Frost Wyrm mounted assault quest. Then when you're charged with the task of assaulting LHC, Kel'Thuzad's Phylactery has already been handed in, whilst Montoy is making a swift retreat. One might conclude that he was persuaded into delivering the phylactery as a means to spare his life in accordance to the upcoming LHC assault.

- Who will the 4th Horseman be? My finger points directly at Rivendare; as he's consistently present throughout the intitial Death Knight quests; standing alongside Mograine. So perhaps Rivendare will be promoted to become the 4th Horseman, and another no-name Deathknight will be appointed to Stratholme. Although I specifically remember handing in Rivendare's head for a quest... so that could certainly create some paradox. Ahh.. so much to speculate.

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Old 08/20/08, 10:21 PM   #84
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Edit: I suck at reading, disregard

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Old 08/21/08, 1:16 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Jagiya View Post
- The Old God beneath AN. We know that it was him who corrupted the World Tree in Grizzly Hills. We know that his blood is used to reinforce the walls of Icecrown. It's assumed that this Old God was the same one that Arthas and Anub'Arak fought during their Northrend journey... but what became of him? He obviously survived, but is he working with Arthas now? Are we killing him purely to prevent further corruption of Northrend, or as an accomplice to The Lich King?
This storyline strikes me as way for them to write in a post-Arthas boss to patch in (a'la KJ) without a total retcon.

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Old 08/21/08, 4:07 AM   #86
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True. He might be lying in wait, recovering from his battle with Arthas; for some 'brave champions' to defeat him, so that he can begin his reign over Northrend/Azeroth unchallenged. Of course that wouldn't make sense that someone who can kill Arthas wouldn't be a concern to him, but hey. Maybe they could just say, "It was just Frostmourne!" or something.

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Old 08/21/08, 7:22 AM   #87
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Now = "Too soon". Lore problem solved.

I really do miss C'Thun though. Maybe I'm a little nostalgic, but having an encounter in that style tuned appropriately, even as a non-end-tier revisitation would be so awesome. GIANT. TENTACLE. EYES. That shoot green lasers of death.

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Old 08/21/08, 8:03 AM   #88
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Originally Posted by Dozer View Post
This storyline strikes me as way for them to write in a post-Arthas boss to patch in (a'la KJ) without a total retcon.
Except it's pretty much certain that the Azjol-Nerub raid will be added before the Icecrown raid, given that the content cycle has already been laid down and they've said that Icecrown is at the end of it. CoA is their easy excuse to patch in more bosses if they have to..

And yea, the main question about Yogg-Saron atm is whether he's actually working with Arthas somehow. I kinda doubt it, but who knows.

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Old 08/21/08, 11:08 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post
And yea, the main question about Yogg-Saron atm is whether he's actually working with Arthas somehow. I kinda doubt it, but who knows.
It could simply be a case of Arthas not really caring about Yogg-Saron as long as he isn't directly interfering with Arthas's plans. Arthas may figure any havoc that the old god causes is a bonus so long as it isn't detrimental to his efforts. An alliance of convenience without actually being allied, if that makes any sense.

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Old 08/21/08, 1:37 PM   #90
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I'm surprised nobody is commenting on the Cinematic.

World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

There's certainly a lot you can read from this trailer. It shows you the path of a tragic hero(Arthas), and shows you just who it is you're facing in Northrend. The way King Terenas is talking while Arthas is carrying out his true destiny as the Lich King. The way that once bright Paladin is no more, and the Arthas you see now is a dark reflection of just about every word out of Terenas' mouth. When he's told to use his power responsibly, then he calls on a Frost Wyrm, how he talks of a righteous blade, and he pulls out Frostmourne, how he's supposed to see into the hearts of his people, but instead he has a horde of mindless Undead minions.

There's also the reading that perhaps redemption isn't even out of the question for Arthas. It's so subtle that it's hard to pick up on, but with his father's words speaking over of how he once was, and Arthas himself just kind of there...quiet.....doing what he's supposed to do as the Lich King. Not really good, not really evil, it's just kind of this subtle neutrality, you don't see him cackling with madness, he's just there, with the voice of his father overhead resonating throughout the trailer, kind of as a reminder of what he once was. Is redemption out of the question for somebody corrupted to the core?

I really really loved this trailer.

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