The Forsaken plague kills the living and undead. She cannot rez those who fall to her new plague. So that problem is conveniently sidestepped. I will agree that using the Val'kyr on Gilneans killed by Forsaken may not be the best move, hopefully Blizzard will avoid this potential plot hole. Resurrecting anyone dead by causes not directly attributable to the Forsaken will bolster her citizenship (and army). As we said before, many people dead before their time would "opt in" to free-willed undeath and be quite happy with the leader who gave it to them.
A quest in Silverpine Forest mentions that due to the Wrathgate affair they're now working with a less potent version. So I would assume they can ressurect those killed by the plague.
Everything according to plan...as soon as Thassarian prepares to face Sylvannas, a frothing, berserking - and familiar - undead elf will step out of a portal. Big fight and tragic outcome ensue.
A likely outcome, however you overlook something important in his little spoiler. Thassarian goes to Tirisfal Glades to find Sylvanas to find out what she has done to Koltira.
So the reason for him missing at the battle hasn't been explained yet. I mean he can't exactly leave the town due to events that haven't yet transpired... And it doens't explain why the skeleton is dead. Of course he can of course have planned to face Koltira in battle in the Forsaken compound, then watched the Sylvanas-Koltira event from afar, and left in a great hurry. But it just seems a little weak.
Well, one thing is for sure, it won't end well for Thassarian. He's not going to kill Sylvanas. It leaves him with either killing his friend, fleeing with his tail between his legs, or dead.
I'm sad to see Uther's native city falling under Horde control. And I wonder what's the plan with Stratholme. Argent Dawn/Crusade are neutral to either faction, but Dawnbringer mentions things such as the "Bastion of the Silver Hand" being retaken (the building that is the "live-side") which I'd imagine the Silver Hand still being very much Alliance only, despite the existance of Horde paladins.
So the WPL quest for Uther's tome is still bugged.
But EPL opened! It starts off simple enough, 2 Paladins want in to the Argent Crusade/Dawn, and you help them along the way, I'm still doing the quests. Tyr's hand is overun with Undead Scarlets.
Scarlet Commander Marjhan, Hunsman Leopold, Mataus the Wrathcaster and Rohan the Assassin were all killed and turned into Undead. :<
And we have a payday, I decided to do the quests inside Startholme, and got some information on Dreadlord death, this is one that I've been asking, and we've ALL been asking for quite some time =D
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Strath is NOT 2 separate instances, but you can't access the Baron side without zoning in from the side-enterance, the gates are down leading from the Crusader side to the Scourge side.
The Argent Crusade moves in and occupies each respective area after the new Baron/Balnazzar die.
This raises a few questions for me:
1. What's the state of uninstanced Strat? I know that on live, the uninstanced city is laid out in that zone-space between WPL, EPL, and Ghostlands, but in addition to missing most of the doodads and decorations, it has an untextured Necropolis (Naxxramas) posted over an unfinished area in the backlot behind the Slaughterhouse. It would make sense if that were removed, if that area is actually flyable, and whether or not the uninstanced city changes after you complete the quests inside the instance.
2. What happens if you re-enter the instance after you've completed those quests? Does the Argent phasing still stand or are you able to complete the instance again?
3. Is any further explanation given re: Aurius and how he became Rivendare?
It seems in the recently available Silverpine Forest quests that Lord Godfrey an NPC from the Worgen Starting quest -who commits suicide rather than serve a Worgen King - is risen as a Forsaken. He leads the attack on Pyrewood and Sacks it. Sylvanas shows up to gloat about her victory when Godfrey makes his move and shoots her in the back of the head. Now before people freak out, Sylvanas is rezzed by one of her Val'kyrs at the cost of it's life. Obviously there is more information to this event but this is the main plot of it. Also it is said that the worgen curse makes you immune to the Forsaken plague (not sure if this is the val'kyr rez or the concoction they use on the ground in Gilneas). An interesting twist to say the least.
Well, that's two deaths for Lady Sylvanas now. Given this twist and how she was able to be brought back, I sincerely hope we're not going to be seeing her going after Mal'Ganis' or Kael'thas' record in number of deaths.
Quite disappointing. From the information available on the web regarding the quest, my thinking is that they could have done a better job of showing how some of the "newly raised forsaken" can be dangerous if not "charmed/broken in", in turning against their own, without resorting to a cheap death/resurrection of Sylvanas.
@Crow, regarding Aurius: The answer to that one might be just what was already in Vanilla. Aurius said the only thing that kept him sane was being in the chapel, and if he were to leave, he would be changed. Well, when we bring him the mark from live side, he tried helping us kill Rivendare, and dies in the process. We can assume he was raised where he fell, and Rivendare is a title for the scourge baron in the slaughterhouse.
An almost mister nobody comes around and oneshots her. Come on. She has gone toe to toe with Arthas two times (and admittedly lost). It would be akin to Lady Liadrin judging Magni Bronzebeard to death before we are told of her lore position. In this world where we take hits to the head all day long, and gets giants stomping all over our little plateclad people, it just doesn't fit.
It only weakens Sylvanas needlessly. At the risk of sounding horribly cliche, it would have been better if he took a huge chunk of her life in that hit, but didn't kill. It would still be weak, but something we have seen before and something that is clearly part of the world's way of life so to speak.
And what does he gain? Could be Blizzard want him to be a badass hero with his own agenda. But this just smells of Giga Drill Breaker (if you are unfamiliar with it, it is an absurd overkill ability in an anime cartoon)... At least it isn't Rhonin who did it.
Could it really only be an attempt at making him a tough guy, and fast (the Marris way to do it is a lot better)? Or culd there be more to this? Like, karma will get you for all the crap you do? Would be interesting if it had some rather meaningful background, that might not yet show up. The newly raised Forsaken plot might work with a little help. But it would require a few events where the player needs to mop up some renegades. It would also be a good time to finally lay down the line of Sylvanas and her policy for living, or rather unliving. "Ah, X, our recent additions to the ranks of our warriors are proceeding well, but as often happens, a few things go wrong. In this case some of the recruits have been less than enthusiastic and have run off. Don't they know it is their duty to serve the Forsaken and their rightful Queen? Go rid us of that problem."
In essence, you can pick cookie 1 or 2, just know that cookie 2 is mine.
If it is only him (and possible the nearest undead)... then it becomes complicated. Is it because he is particularly strong willed? But then what about Prince Galen? He seemed like a pretty determined guy. And if that is the case, why him? It isn't as if Sylvanas needs more enemies, there would have been plenty dead people to use for that.
It just feels as if he isn't big enough, nor established enough for such a big thing.
Is there any news of Nathanos now that WPL is open? It would be a terrible shame if his death is canon and he's gone forever.
I highly doubt it, I am not in the Beta or anything but I assume he will be the head undead hunter trainer and be positioned in the Undercity now, or more likely in the new outdoor gardens above the Undercity with his blighthounds.
It just feels as if he isn't big enough, nor established enough for such a big thing.
It might be construed as a (un)subtle reminder that we're not dealing with gods/godlike characters here. That, as big a figure as they are, they can be stabbed in the back by any assassin - if he can get into the right position, at the right moment.
That seems to be a new theme in Cataclysm. Thrall seems to be abducted by a bunch of SI:7 op unknowns (I doubt they're using legendary well-known heroes as covert ops), for instance.
An almost mister nobody comes around and oneshots her. [...]
This event is lore, not gameplay. A bullet to the head is a bullet to the head, even for a hero, even if that hero's undead already. Small wonder she doesn't have any memory loses, but then again, (in Warcraft) ghosts and thus banshees have a memory without a physical brain, it's likely connected to the soul or similar.
Tender Puregrove:It's those little victores that keep me going. We'll save this forest one squirrel at a time.
I understand that it is lore, and pretty much all goes. But the heroes and leaders of the factions, they are on a different level. I agree that it could be changed, but this doesn't really change that as she is the only one to suffer this. And as such she is just diminished, rather than all the leaders are taken down a notch. It is really hard to reverse 5 years of established 'nature'. And it would royally suck if pretty much all the leaders had some level 5 incident.
This come right on the heels, more or less, from Saurfang jumping out of te shadows and taking down a Sourge commander almost on his own (the Warsong Hold questline). You can't have both superheroes and commoners in one package.
But no, a headshot isn't a headshot. Not in this world. Lorewise we should have seen various bosses suffer that fate now and then. It just isn't a very strong event since they can't export it, it will have to be localized, making it a very strange thing. "If he can, why can't one of our guys?"
I haven't personally seen the event, but Sylvanas isn't stupid. She knows what the Val'kyr can do.
Isn't it more likely that she doesn't care, rather than that she's careless?
I think the most important thing that his is showing us is that the newly risen Forsaken are joining Sylvanas of their own free will. Maybe to betray her when they get the chance, maybe not. It seems that the Val'kyr using "Charm" on the new recruits is kind of misleading at the least.
It makes me more curious than ever about what goes on when a being dies and rises from the dead. We already knew that very few keep any of the virtues they had in life. It seems like the ones that remain the most like they were in life are the ones that were already rotten (Lord Godfrey being a great example).
It doesn't need explaining any more then why you can drop a flaming meteor of death on a character in Final Fantasy and they shrug it off, yet an insane clown with a butter knife one shots General Leo in FFVI.
If the story in a game calls for something, it will happen regardless as to what the "realistic" expectation is