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Old 08/18/10, 10:32 AM   #9451
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But that is a problem all by itself.

Author's world: Dragons are super powerful. Dragon vs dragon combat is cool, but why bother with mortals? Weaken dragons artificially to make mortals more interesting and useful. Repeat is every book.

Instead of going: Dragons not involved with the main characters all that often. That way the main characters could fight equals rather than super powerful beings that negate dragons. Eventually making the dragons look weak and approaching worthless compared to the superheroes with no faults. All reason points that it should be reversed.

And Krasus is only given the 'command' to make sure the plot moves in the right direction. If he didn't, what reason would he have to being there? Yet, despite being the one with teh knowledge he continues to look to one character for help... Sounds an awful lot like a little brother seeking his big brother when he is in over his head, so I guess the lapdog line isn't entirely correct. It is worse.

Btw, loved "The Day Deathwing Came". I'm not sure it is entirely a spoof on Knaak since it is a common theme among different (as in different from each other) heavy drinkers to go on similar to that. Besides there are no dragons... ehm I mean damsels in distress.

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Old 08/20/10, 10:08 AM   #9452
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Straight from thy mouth of Chilton (or rather, from the interview report on World of Raids):

Cataclysm cinematic will be tied in to the world event to link 3.9 and 4.0 together.
There you have it, then, it's Dragon Emerging from a City-Size Whirlpool for us. Which, really, sounds much better than characters clashing with each other. I just hope they do find time to pick up one or two other characters besides Deathwing feeling the impact.

On another subject: are there any developments on Cairne's death? His fight with Garrosh isn't implemented yet, is it? So where does the information we have right now come from?

Edit: Regarding the cinematic, and since "world event" is mentioned, it might also mean we'll witness Ragnaros and the others coming to this side. I'm sure Skywall appearing over Uldum would make for shattered retinae.

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Old 08/20/10, 10:29 AM   #9453
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Originally Posted by Bierzkrieg View Post
There you have it, then, it's Dragon Emerging from a City-Size Whirlpool for us. Which, really, sounds much better than characters clashing with each other. I just hope they do find time to pick up one or two other characters besides Deathwing feeling the impact.
That reminds me, will we see "Thrall & Cairne saving babies" ingame or even in that very cinematic? The exact timeline isn't known yet - does Thrall venture out, and does Cairne subsequently challenge Garrosh before or after the Cataclysm? Meaning, will Cairne be still alive to save those children during the destructions of the Cataclysm or was that simply a concept image?

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Old 08/20/10, 11:43 AM   #9454
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I'd say Cataclysm -> Saving babies (that picture's awesome, when is Wei going to post it on Sons) -> Thrall gets warned about the Maelstrom and sails away -> Cairne vs Garrosh

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Old 08/20/10, 12:42 PM   #9455
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That makes the most sense in the lore, of course, but I do wonder how they will implement the change of faction leaders in Org/TB and IF, as at least the latter seem to involve Wrathgate-style events (more hinted for TB than IF, but they seem to take place in the same (sub)patch.
Speaking of patches, one way to do this is to use small, short-living patches to let those events take place, then ship the next minor patch to set e.g. the new faction leaders in place. More stuff happening in a more chronological order would lead to a far greater immersion* and would, from a company viewpoint, make more players have a constant subscription running instead of maybe playing one month, then taking the next one or two months off, until the next major patch drops.

* "The ice bar in the Valley of Honor? Yeah we build that last week, everyone who helped gets free ice cream forever. sorry, you're too late to experience the epic quests surrounding it - and of course you get no free ice cream" - but honestly, specific (item etc.) rewards would of course be great incentives.

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Old 08/20/10, 1:05 PM   #9456
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Agree with you on the importance of setting a more strict chronological order for quests and events.

Building and opening a bar in Orgrimmar (or conquering an island from magic-crazed elves) it takes long enough for most people to witness it, at one stage or another. But with things like Thrall vs Garrosh and the Wrathgate Gassing, they're too important to be "imposed" to the players.

Having a duel with Cairne, killing him accidentaly, angsting, finding out who's responsible, travelling to Thunder Bluff and kicking her ass from there to Stonetalon takes little time. And it's meant for every character of every level, I think. So a lvl 1 has the right to have a shot at the Grimtotem. Wonder how Blizzard will handle this. In-game cinematic? Level requirement in order to go to Thunderbluff?

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Old 08/21/10, 4:22 AM   #9457
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Originally Posted by Bierzkrieg View Post
Agree with you on the importance of setting a more strict chronological order for quests and events.

Building and opening a bar in Orgrimmar (or conquering an island from magic-crazed elves) it takes long enough for most people to witness it, at one stage or another. But with things like Thrall vs Garrosh and the Wrathgate Gassing, they're too important to be "imposed" to the players.

Having a duel with Cairne, killing him accidentaly, angsting, finding out who's responsible, travelling to Thunder Bluff and kicking her ass from there to Stonetalon takes little time. And it's meant for every character of every level, I think. So a lvl 1 has the right to have a shot at the Grimtotem. Wonder how Blizzard will handle this. In-game cinematic? Level requirement in order to go to Thunderbluff?
Remember the Matthias Lehner quests where you get to play as Arthas at differing stages of his ascent to LK? How awesome would it be if we got to play out the duel with Cairne/cleansing of TB as Garrosh?

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Old 08/21/10, 10:22 AM   #9458
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Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
That reminds me, will we see "Thrall & Cairne saving babies" ingame or even in that very cinematic? The exact timeline isn't known yet - does Thrall venture out, and does Cairne subsequently challenge Garrosh before or after the Cataclysm? Meaning, will Cairne be still alive to save those children during the destructions of the Cataclysm or was that simply a concept image?
I thought it was pretty much indicated that this was merely a 'cool image of two iconic leaders', essentially fluff and just cool stuff.

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Old 08/21/10, 12:12 PM   #9459
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Originally Posted by Fnar View Post
Remember the Matthias Lehner quests where you get to play as Arthas at differing stages of his ascent to LK? How awesome would it be if we got to play out the duel with Cairne/cleansing of TB as Garrosh?
That wouldn't make much sense. The reason you got to play Arthas was, from an RP point of view, that Lehner gave you visions. You never actually played Arthas per se; you were given a vision in which you embodied a shadow from the Lich King's past, courtesy of a ghost of what was left of is heart.


However, maybe some well-tuned phasing could help here: do a series of quests that lead you to Orgrimar at precisely the time of the duel and watch it. A typical questline for this could be somethign along the lines of:

1. Something wrong: a traitor among the tauren? (Grimtotem)
2. Oh no, Cairne has been poisoned, quick, gather the plants to make an antidote
3. Cairne has gone to Org to fight Garrosh, stop him before he does, he's in no fit state!

You get to Org, you see him die, and you get a series of quests leading to the true unmasking of Magatha, and so on. Obviously this is only a crude suggestion, but somethign along those lines might be fun. Too bad it's only the Hordies who'll get to see it play out (let's pray we get something fun for the new IF leadership).

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Old 08/21/10, 12:34 PM   #9460
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While a quest chain would be very cool, it would be more likely a 3.9.x or 4.0.x minipatch event. Recall Garrosh challenging and fighting Thrall.

"Get your tickets for Cairne's death! Limited supply! Every half hour for the next week!"

Additionally, phasing in capital cities can be dicey. I know Alliance folks who can freely fish in Orgrimaar, because they never completed Wrathgate. They cannot get to Midsummer fires in Org or UC, etc.

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Old 08/21/10, 12:51 PM   #9461
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So The Hammer of Twilight is a Boss mob in the Twilight Highlands.

Any info or thoughts on this yet?




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Old 08/21/10, 4:11 PM   #9462
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Part of the quest for the caster legendary, I would imagine.

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Old 08/21/10, 6:06 PM   #9463
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Originally Posted by Kaejin View Post
Part of the quest for the caster legendary, I would imagine.
Not so sure, the caster legendary is supposed to be from Neptulon I thought?

This thing is part of the Twilight Highlands quests.

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Old 08/21/10, 6:46 PM   #9464
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What's the connection between the Twilight's Hammer and the statues that adorn the sides of the Dark Portal? I noticed that they're in the background of this picture too, and I couldn't remember having noticed any connection between them before.

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Yeah but it hasn't happened since Ulduar.

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Old 08/21/10, 6:57 PM   #9465
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Originally Posted by Ashen View Post
What's the connection between the Twilight's Hammer and the statues that adorn the sides of the Dark Portal? I noticed that they're in the background of this picture too, and I couldn't remember having noticed any connection between them before.
That's just Altar of Storms, although it strange that it wasn't there before Cataclysm. I guess there is no special connection, they are just using magical energies from Altar.

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