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Old 10/06/11, 10:15 PM   #10546
Emeraude
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Very curious. :O

VO_ET_MUROZOND_INTRO_01 - The End Time, I once called this place. I had not seen by then. I did not know. You hope to what? Stop me here? Change the fate I worked so tirelessly to weave?

VO_ET_MUROZOND_INTRO_02 - You crawl unwitting, like a blind writhing worm towards endless madness and despair. I have witnessed the true End Time. This? This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend.

VO_ET_MUROZOND_DEATH_01 - You know not what you have done! Aman'thul.. what I have seen.

Aman'thul is the leader of the Pantheon. X_X I guess we will definitely come to blows with them.

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Old 10/06/11, 11:41 PM   #10547
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Might be reading into that too much. Seems more like a plea asking for forgiveness because of what he's done. He saw something so terrible that he attempted to alter time and prevent it (exactly what he's not supposed to do).

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Old 10/07/11, 5:10 AM   #10548
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What Kaejin said.
However, MMO-Champion has datamined boss/event text , including this line:
VO_DS_YSERA_IRIS_01 - Praise the Titans.. they have returned.
Now, most likely, "they" refers to the adventurers, emerging from some fight (another Ysera bit refers to a trap regarding the Hagara encounter) but what if not?

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Old 10/07/11, 5:28 AM   #10549
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VO_ET_NOZDORMU_EVENT_01 - Mortals.. I can not follow you any further. Accept my blessing and use the hourglass of time to defeat Murozond.
VO_ET_NOZDORMU_EVENT_02 - At last it has come to pass! The moment of my demise. The loop.. is closed. My future self will cause no more harm.
VO_ET_NOZDORMU_EVENT_03 - Still.. in time. I will fall to madness. And you heroes.. will vanquish me. The cycle will repeat.. so it goes.

I suppose another confirmation Moruzond is future Nozdormu. This time it's quite explicit.

On another note, we've now seen the death of Malygos, Neltharion and now Nozdormu.

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 10/07/11, 6:46 AM   #10550
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Wait a moment... so we witness/bring about the death of future Nozdormu in a timeline that we later prevent, and thus also that death. Since we are sent/buffed by present-time Nozdormu, he basically alters his own future timeline and prevents his death (and also that of everyone else, but let's not be nitpicky)
Isn't that action exactly what we speculated would cause him to form the Infinite Flight in the first place? Fighting fire with fire?

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Old 10/07/11, 10:52 AM   #10551
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Messing around in time always seems to form at least a few small paradoxes. I've only seen maybe two stories ever that involved time travel and resolved everything perfectly. And in the case of the ones that resolve them perfectly (like Primer), things still don't make total sense.


Chances are, this story arc was dreamed up many years ago but never fully fleshed out until recently; that means there's probably going to be some puzzle pieces that seem like they've been forced to fit through retcons or similar. My guess would be even after we've seen the actual story play out we're still going to be left with parts that don't quite make sense.


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Old 10/07/11, 2:09 PM   #10552
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Perhaps rather than preventing his own death, Nozdormu sees it suitable to prevent his insanity (which, as he saw, would cause extensive damage to the timeline). Lesser of two evils?

Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh.

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Old 10/08/11, 3:14 AM   #10553
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The Wrathion questline confirms what we've been saying/speculating on for a while now, all of the black dragonflight was insane/corrupted by Deathwing's madness and the old gods.

BUT it still didn't exactly explain the black dragons out in Outland, though I think we can assume since the Netherflight wasn't effected, and they technically are direct spawn of Deathwing, everything there isn't effected. Especially since the Old Gods and that particular corruption seems to only stem from Azeroth prime, and Outland isn't something they can reach out to and touch, so to speak.

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Old 10/08/11, 4:31 AM   #10554
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What do you mean? We already know at least two of those dragons have returned to Azeroth, Obsidia and Sinestra. Sabellian is the son of Deathwing as well. In my eyes there's nothing special about that, anywhere Sinestra goes, she's an emissary of Deathwing spreading his corruption.

And to be honest, half of them seemed kinda neutral (in the sense, they're up to their own machinations), Hemathion, Furywing, Insidion and Rivendark (and Obsidia when we first "see" her) seem neutral at first. Sure Nihil and Blackscale seem to be doing different things.

There's also the dead Vhel'kur I suppose.

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 10/09/11, 8:22 AM   #10555
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Noone else commented that Murozond is an anagram of Nozdormu... or is it that obvious it's omitted?

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Old 10/09/11, 5:51 PM   #10556
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MMO-Champion has some more transcripts, e.g.:
VO_DS_THRALL_ULTRAXIONVICTORY_01 - Taretha, Cairne, Aggra. I will not fail you. I will not fail this world!
Why does he mention Aggra along with those he has lost?

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Old 10/09/11, 10:07 PM   #10557
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Seems really wasteful to start developing a love interest for Thrall just to throw her away at the end of the expansion. I'm hoping Aggra is in there solely as someone important to him.

Uulwi ifis halahs gag erh'ongg w'ssh.

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Old 10/10/11, 1:46 AM   #10558
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It depends on how you look at it, let's assume there's Nozdormu A, B, and C, and A has already turned into Murozond.

B sends us to kill A, preventing A from ushering the history that is the "End Time"
Things roll out, B sees that timeline is messed up and even worse than End Time, turns into Murozond B and attempts to usher the "End Time"
Nozdormu C sends us to kill Murozond B, repeat.

For people that want to argue there is only one Nozdormu since he's the timeless one, there's multiple reference which said Nozdormu has many selves that all exist outside of time. In conclusion, it's probably not best to overthink this matter.


or is it that obvious it's omitted?
The Z almost gave it away immediately.

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Old 10/10/11, 5:36 AM   #10559
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Originally Posted by david0925 View Post
there's multiple reference which said Nozdormu has many selves that all exist outside of time.
Most of Christie Golden's book on Go'El (sorry, Thrall) deals with our big shaman reaching out to Nozdormu and essentially teaching him how to pull himself back together.

Nozdormu exist across all time lines, but is/was/should/(insert more verbs) be one, in order to fulfill his mission. He let himself go a bit, and that generated the splinter Murozond.

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Old 10/10/11, 2:33 PM   #10560
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I'm rather heartbroken @ Tyrande's new voice. Tyrande Well of eternity voices - YouTube

She was one of my favorite female characters in WoW, and I cannot fathom how they went from this Tyrande WC3 - YouTube to that up above.

I also don't really understand how Blizzard can't afford decent voice actors after all this time, though I guess they don't have to bother since they probably aren't going to lose subscriptions over some bad voices.

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