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03/31/12, 2:24 PM
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#10696
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Piston Honda
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From the looks of things there's an arcane pulse of energy leftover from the battle, right where Jaina's tower is, makes me wonder if she was the one that actually used some powerful magic that caused most of the destruction out of desperation. Would make sense and explain her hair turning a different color and her personality/temperament changing.
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Blizzard artists are usually good at having an attention to detail. If you'll notice, all the towers and stone structures are leaning away from where Jaina's tower used to be and the debris patten indicates the material being spread outward from that location as well. Based on that, and the glowing crater with crackling energy, points towards the tower exploding or something explosive striking the tower (obviously something magic). The damage seems less severe the farther you get away from the tower, however...mostly a burning roof here and there.
If Jaina blew up the tower in desperation, you would figure that there would be a strong indication of damage in the structures farther away from the tower, including those that did not have a direct line of sight of it. You'll also notice that the 2 steamtanks by one of the gates seem just fine and dandy. If there was a prolonged siege of the city and Jaina was doing the self-destruct thing in desperation, you'd figure that all the defensive ordinance would be destroyed. Basically the thinking is that the city has been breached, the army shattered, and her only hope is to go nuclear?
That doesn't seem to fit.
There are a large number of graves, and some of the graves (like the one with a doll) suggests children were killed as well. We can assume that a blood thirsty Garrosh wouldn't give two damns about giving people a proper burial. Half the city seemed more or less ok, while the other half was not, so I assume the graves are for the unfortunate half and they were buried by their own. If the city was under siege, it's pretty much in Jaina's character that she would try to evacuate the civilians if possible. Everything seems to point to a sudden and decisive strike. From that brief video, you don't see the signs of a prolonged siege or military attack, which suggests that no one was expecting it and there was no time to actually make preparations for it (be it defense or evacuation).
My theory: Somehow, Garrosh found a way to turn Jaina's tower into a weapon against the city. Since the explosion seems arcane in nature, my guess would be it was kind of like overloading a battery. By the time Jaina realized what was happening, it was too late to do anything about it. With very little time to act, she tried to enact some type of spell to protect what she could. The resulting arcane explosion + interaction with her (mages are basically conduits for arcane energy, when you get down to it) basically acts as a "short circuit" (or maybe she acts like a circuit breaker, if you will), but the net result is Jaina seriously frying her mind and causing physical damage to herself (white hair?).
Honestly I think that scenario makes the most sense based on what we have seen so far in the video and what the devs hinted at in terms of the ultimate fate of Jaina + Theramoore.
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03/31/12, 5:50 PM
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#10697
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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The Horde using some indirect method to make the city go boom from within isn't exactly their MO though, they have the plague, and it's been used on 3 separate occasions, Wrathgate/Gilneas/Hillsbrad. If Garrosh simply wanted to bomb the city and didn't care he'd probably just resort to what they know and use the plague again then charge in. Also there has never been any indication that the tower in Theramore is weaponized on any level. The only time we've had instances where we've blown up an enemy from within is when there's been something very dangerous that we can actually use to blow themselves up!
In addition, Blizzard tends to like to telegraph WMDs in their WoW, for instance back in BC when the Blood Elves had an Arcane Bomb, we first saw a village annihilated before we saw where the bomb was being made, and of course Netherstorm where multiple villages had been bombed.
With the plague we saw it's development before it was deployed and of course the Forsaken have used it over and over.
For this there's nothing, we just see an arcane crater, now I thought about the bomb used @ Stonetalon, but that bomb was just straight up explosive, and didn't leave residual Arcane energy. The fact that this is obviously arcane in nature leads me to think that it's Jaina. Arcane, Mage, Jaina most powerful mage, massive destruction.
As for the left over siege tanks and the area not effected and graves, it's possible that there's still Alliance quests out there after the fact and that they returned to bury their dead, weird I know, but it has happened before, also those 2 Siege tanks are there on live right now, anything that isn't straight up annihilated is on fire. . It's possible that after Jaina went nuclear that the Horde withdrew. Also it is beta and the area could be completely unfinished.
I do look forward to finding out what happened.
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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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03/31/12, 6:56 PM
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#10698
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Piston Honda
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Jaina going nuclear, even if the city was overwhelmed, still makes no sense. I mean, Blizzard -COULD- have her do that, but it would be another "lolore" moment that is just crappy writing. She's a tactical thinker and there is nothing there to suggest there was any manner of intense military campaign from the Horde.
I suppose we will find out in a few months.
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03/31/12, 8:12 PM
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#10699
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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The only thing this reminded me of was Dalaran. I am surprise no one else thought of this. Granted, Dalaran was vastly different. We do also know Jaina has the power to mass teleport, she's used it on several occasions (though, I suddenly wonder what she didn't mass teleport us in ICC-5 when Arthas was chasing us).
Anyways, back to topic at present hand. She's calm. Cautious. Rational. We need to think of something that would make her snap. Something that would change her personality.
This might be going a little bit "out there" but what if Jaina was possessed? Or a demon of some sort was in control of her? This wouldn't be the first time we've seen this kind of thing in lore.
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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03/31/12, 8:22 PM
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#10700
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Honorary Brit
Human Warlock
Moonglade (EU)
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Originally Posted by Starfire
This might be going a little bit "out there" but what if Jaina was possessed? Or a demon of some sort was in control of her? This wouldn't be the first time we've seen this kind of thing in lore.
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It looks like that is the only way Blizzard can make someone "evil". Another possibility is that maybe some magic just went haywire. Not something Jaina casted herself, but probably strong enough to kill all magi that don't have Jaina's magic abilities and it took a sacrifice on her side to even survive it. Maybe they ley lines are involved? I don't think it was something that the Horde intentional tried to do, since it doesn't find their MO when you look at past events.
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03/31/12, 9:08 PM
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#10701
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Piston Honda
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It doesn't fit Horde MO, no...but does it fit the MO of the Dark Shaman that Garrosh is getting friendly with? And who are they really in league with? I'd have to guess The Legion if anything, or "3rd party" demons (Dreadlords).
Besides, Garrosh is already doing stuff in secret as the new Ragefire Chasm indicates. Making the tower explosion seem like an "accident" or an unfortunate consequence not of Garrosh's doing would help deflect the ire of Thrall. Keeping the Dark Shaman on the downlow also helps avoid the ire of Thrall. Clever stuff like that seems beyond Garrosh's abilities, but perfectly within a Dreadlord's expertise.
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04/01/12, 9:29 AM
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#10702
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Von Kaiser
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I can see Jaina doing so in order to make the Horde's win a Pyrrhic Victory. That would make sense at the last moment when the Horde infantry is flooding through to gates and all is lost, she blows up the city, killing a whole lot of Horde, and leave them a burnt crater instead of a conquered city.
This also reminds me of Dragonlance lore. When the common folk were goaded by a religious figure to storm Towers owned by wizards, all the Good/neutral/Evil wizards decided to blow up the towers rather than let the ignorant cause greater harm by messing with arcane artifacts. The after effects were of course similar to what we would expect of a nuclear weapon, killing anyone remotely close to the Towers.
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I reject your paltry reality and substitute my own.
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04/01/12, 11:52 AM
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#10703
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Don Flamenco
Dwarf Priest
Dalaran (EU)
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Originally Posted by Starfire
Anyways, back to topic at present hand. She's calm. Cautious. Rational. We need to think of something that would make her snap. Something that would change her personality.
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Shattering her confidence and calm might require nothing more than a botched spell.
People don't see Jaina going nuclear. What if she didn't think it was going to be nuclear? She thinks she's found the solution to the siege, she think she can handle it against the horde's arcane casters (who, knowing they have this level of power to face, are in force and countering her every move). She goes, it doesn't work that well, and in the end, she can only save herself, and the rest of Theramore is devastated. By her own hand.
Massive PTSD incoming.
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04/01/12, 9:23 PM
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#10704
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Piston Honda
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Very curious to see how it all plays out, I liked her being the voice of reason in spite of all the insanity that has happened to her. Garrosh decimating Theramore's population and then her retaliating with nothing to lose would be my guess.
Last edited by dustdog : 04/01/12 at 11:29 PM.
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04/02/12, 4:12 AM
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#10705
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Don Flamenco
Dwarf Priest
Dalaran (EU)
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I would have said "we'll know more in august" when the book about Jaina comes out (Aug 28th), but there's a non-zero probability that Mists might be released before.
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04/02/12, 7:07 AM
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#10706
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Piston Honda
Gnome Mage
Antonidas (EU)
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Pure speculation here: What if she tried to teleport whole Theramore out of the siege like the mages of Dalaran did with their city? I guess it is a fairly complex and demanding spell, something which takes a lot of focus and energy. She might have been disrupted or some siege engine projectile hit the tower while the spell was being cast and it backfired. But yeah, we'll have to wait and see.
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04/02/12, 7:29 AM
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#10707
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Dath'Remar
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Originally Posted by Katria
Losing Theramore is different than the other disasters in Jaina's life. She has spent years cultivating a relationship with the Horde through Thrall, and it has been her mission to promote peace. She even declined to intervene and save her father's life in the name of her vision of peace; it's her life's work. With the destruction of Theramore, that dream, and all her hopes for it, are seemingly destroyed as well.
The flaw I find here is that her hair goes white. She's clearly going Dark Willow, so her hair and eyes should go black. I find myself wondering who WoW-Xander is, as a pissed-off-superpowered-mage is clearly world-destroying material, and Jaina won't be a raid boss, so someone has to talk her down.
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The white haired model now looks like it was an April Fools joke.
New Jaina Model mmo-champ
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04/02/12, 11:31 AM
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#10708
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Bald Bull
Night Elf Warrior
Sargeras
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Originally Posted by Aniailthor
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MMO Champion made the model as a joke, but her hair is turning white.

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What is the most important thing to you? Won't you grant me the pleasure of taking it away.
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04/11/12, 1:28 PM
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#10710
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Molakar
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Looks like a Buru re-skin to me. I'm guessing the mantids just have domesticated various large insects. from what we know, admittedly limited, about the Mantids, they seem independent of any Old God influence. We have a friendly faction, and the end boss for the Mantid raid is possessed by the Sha of Fear, which for some reason makes he think the designers have been reading Green Lantern too much. 
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