Theramore Scenario Jaina Dialogue - YouTube

Jaina is furious, and I am giddy about it.

Hopefully she doesn't go full villain on us.

Also I'm calling it right now, for the Orgrimmar raid, you're gonna subdue Garrosh, Thrall will step in and Varian will show mercy, but then Jaina will appear and kill him.

Oh the irony of it all.

She's about to get Kael'd. That post Theramore destruction talk is gonna be similar to that post Silvermoon destruction talk I imagine, heh.

Well fuck.

Jaina - YouTube

I have heard some theories that this may mean Jaina is going to be bringing back the Kirin Tor to the Alliance fold, I certainly hope so with how the Forsaken have also declared war on Dalaran's interests in the Eastern Kingdoms. Part of the event does include Sunreaver operatives, them causing Theramore's destruction would be grounds for their removal, and by extension Horde, from Dalaran.

If true, the Blue Dragons may lend their support as well, especially if all of this was caused by the Horde stealing and setting off one of their artifacts. That being said if the Blues do help out, I would see it as an advisory role, there are way too few of them left to risk going out in full scale assault, especially with the Horde now having the Dragonmaw inducted in their ranks.

I certainly hope so anyway, having her go neutral would be a disappointment.

Wonder what happened to Rhonin? Can not say I would be sad to see him go, his character always annoyed me anyway.

Can't see the Kirin Tor going A again, unless they plan to split Dalaran or even let Dalaran itself "fly home" (or even south to SW/IF as Hillsbrad is now a Horde territory) while Crystalsong receives an overhaul to have two remainder camps on the ground (similar to Valley of Eternal Blossoms) with a sanctuary inbetween for the neutral services.
And what about the Violet Eye?

It just seems to be a little too much effort.

Northrend is in a time bubble though, and I would not expect that area to changed unless all of Northrend gets an update. Even now Horde characters go from killing Dalaran citizens in Silverpine and Blasted Lands to going back in time for the WOtL stuff.

I would not expect to see anything physical happen to Dalaran, but we could see Dalaran units join the Alliance in the war on Pandaria.

The thing is, Blizzard has to know how making Jaina go neutral after destroying her city would go over with the playerbase, especially with Theramore's destruction being the issue that starts up the warfare in MoP.

The Kirin Tor and Argent Crusade pretty much turn a blind eye to Forsaken aggression.

You could easily make them officially affiliate with the Alliance again, to much fanfare among alliance players, I don't understand why Blizzard doesn't just do it. It's not like the Horde is lacking heroes nowadays.

Kirin Tor = Dalaran

Kul Tiras = Kingdom Jaina is from, she has a brother there that took over after he father's death, so he's running things now(Presumably).

Keep in mind Jaina's actions to order Theramore soldiers to stand down when the Horde took down her father isn't exactly a secret in lore(it's mentioned by more then one mage in Wolfheart), we don't know the exact relations between Kirin Tor & Jaina.

The fact that she doesn't go home even in the new novel(She goes straight to Varian/Anduin) is quite telling.

Blizzard has made it a point to keep Kul Tiras out of WoW lore, I believe Tol Barad island was originally supposed to be a small part of Kul Tiras and the Alliance NPCs were wearing Kul Tiras's tabard in beta, but this was changed for release.

I knew I had something backwards. Herp Derp.

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Kul Tiras did come up, but in a manner that suggested Jaina has nothing to do with the formal home government anymore, aside form leading Theramore. Aethas Sunreaver claims that Thalen Songweaver and several other Sunreavers acted on their own accord, secretly supporting the Horde despite Dalaran's neutral stance. In the end, The Kirin Tor still refuses to get involved, even after a newly humbled Jaina takes over as the leader.

The book paints the rest of the Horde as disenfranchised and disgusted with Garrosh's latest attacks on the Alliance, especially after the Theramore Incident. Malkorok (the Blackrock Orc) starts off as a minor Bodyguard and adviser, but evolves into Garrosh's own Heinrich Himmler, including Stalinist purges of Horde Dissenters. The open killing of a Blood Elf Paladin and Forsaken ship captain galvanizes Baine and Vol'jin to finally tell off Garrosh. I can see them as the leaders in the anti-Garrosh movement that cultivates into the raid later this expansion.

Kudos to Shandris and Pained for breaking the Knaak mold on Night Elves. Pained humiliates Malkorok in combat, and for once doesn't run around with a glaive and leathers. Shandris survives the explosion, and will be a thorn in the Horde's side. Jainas Gnome apprentice doesn't come off as misplaced like i feared she would, Rhonin died with some dignity, fizzling out the Mana-bomb so that it detonates with a lesser yield that the Horde intended at the cost of his life. The Hordes place in the Theramore scenario is mentioned, however nothing of the Alliance scouting party present. Anduin is still trucking away with the Draenei.

I'm surprised they killed off Rhonin, especially since he was Knaak's character for the most part. Any mention of Vereesa? Still hoping they have a major Windrunner reunion later on

I really enjoyed the verbal beat down Jaina gave Thrall and on top of it she then tried to flat out kill him. Speaking of Thrall, he really did not come off looking so good in this book. The first chapter he shows up, he looked to me like he was patronizing Jaina when she went to him asking for help.

The part that really stood out was what happened later. Theramore goes boom, and he still refuses to do anything, citing he has his shaman duties to deal with. Fair enough, healing Azeroth is pretty important, however when he learns orcs are in danger he immediately springs to action and runs off to do something. I was very happy that Jaina noticed the same thing, and this ended up being the tipping point to make her really angry at him.

One nice thing is that even if Jaina is now leading a neutral organization, it was repeatedly stated that she is going to commit herself to taking out the Horde. Wondering how she can do that, but we may get more answers when 5.1 comes around. She at least would have Khadgar's support for such actions, and while not on the council, Kalec too would happily help.

Also, Baine had a huge role in this book. I'm thinking that maybe when the Varian quests are put in the game, the Horde may have a series of quests concerning Baine and the Horde resistance.