Well, there's plenty of portraits of the Titans in various sources, most notably the RPG books. They're giant beings of stone and metal. Basically, giant versions of the Watchers.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a "Old God is dead, world explodes!" deal. It could be some slow destabilisation that we've already set in motion, which to a Titan wouldn't really matter (the time length). Blizzard obviously sees that the player base is fascinated by the Old God's so I wouldn't be suprised if we got some more solid lore on them sometime soon, names and actual numbers, perhaps reveal if they are working together. I'm most interested in the evil presence below Tirisfal at the moment.

Can anyone point me at this comic part saying C'thun is dead? I was reading the Cho'gall entry a few days ago and was suprised to see the line "He is currently hiding in C'thuns room", I thought I'd missed him in game or something.

Is there any site that sums up the comics? I don't like the format but I don't really want to miss out on the lore they provide.

Well, what if the destabilization was the Curse of the Flesh in the first place. It would destroy the "world" the Titans created. If the Old God at the Master's Glaive was already slain by some of them before departing, then that would already have set things in motion (albeit on a scale of thousands of years) before they left. Although that is a matter of perspective. What "we" of the lesser races see as "destroying Azeroth" does not necessarily mean the same as the Titans would see as "destroying Azeroth".

For us it could mean a cataclysm of fiery explosions and molten death raining from the sky.
For them it could mean a "rodent" infestation that has them call the Extermination office and have the planet gassed.

(note to Darkwind; I am unfamiliar with the RPG books (obviously) though it does make sense that the Titans created the Watchers in their own image)

Flesh wasn't a foreign concept to the Titans according to the discussion with the Lore Keeper of Norgannon in Uldaman (transcript: Lore Keeper of Norgannon - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft). The pertinent parts of the text:

In the worlds that the Titans developed before Azeroth, they used flesh (biomass) as the basis of their lifeforms. On Azeroth, they decided to include part of the world's own materials to make improved models more suited to the job. The problem isn't flesh in itself, but the the Curse of Flesh is turning the improved stone based life back into the biomass used in previous developments.

The link to the comic was a few pages ago: http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t30118-w...1/#post1109910
The quote that C'thun is dead is on the last page of the preview, along with seeing Cho'gall hanging out in C'thun's room.

That's an interesting quote regarding flesh being part of the Titans' standard recipe for making new races. Unfortunately, it still doesn't shed any light on the origins of Trolls and Tauren (or whatever race the Tauren and Taunka are descended from, other than pre-historic cows), or what sort of relationship they had, if any, with what the Titans were doing while creating the Earthen, etc. I can imagine the Titans completely ignoring a couple minor, puny (in comparison) races running around in isolated groups, but is there any reference to Titans, or beings that could be interpreted as Titans, in Tauren or Troll legends/lore? Or did they completely fail to make note of these powerful superbeings who started making new races and reshaping the world?

It is interesting that C'Thun's body is pretty much still intact after all these years. Maybe the Old Gods are so abhorant that even natrue rejects them, so no decay at all. It does line up a little with the one in Darkshore, as that corpse has been sitting there for a long time now.

Any chacne the one in Darkshore could be the rest of C'Thun? Maybe the Titans just got a little too enthusastic hacking him up and the piece that ended up in Silithus was flung there from the fighting. With the glaive in the central core, the eye and a reformed tummy would have been the only part of it unsealed.

Also with these guys being based on Lovecraft means that even being dead does not mean they are totally gone. Cthulu itself was described as being dead and was also said to be able to rewaken.

One unrelated item from the comic that's interesting. it seems the Silithid and Quiraji are pretty much extinct now if if the Shadow Council was able to set up shop right next to C'thun's corpse. There are no Silithid anything shown in the issue.

Well, the Taurens do worship the Earthmother, she who created this land. But there's two ways to develop this.
1 - The Earthmother is a Titan and the Taurens saw the coming of Titans or were created by the Titans.
2 - Or Earthmother is Earthmother Therazane. which could mean that the Taurens existed before the Titans came. Therazane - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

This brings up an interesting point too. The Titans are seen as creators but they didn't create the universe, just the races and a world in which they could flourish. That leaves a whole other dimension of where Azeroth came from, was it the Old Gods? The Elemental Lords? Maybe the Old Gods and Elemental lords are actively trying to revert to that state and are not evil, just against our goals because in doing so it would destroy the mortals. The universe becomes then more about order vs. chaos than good vs. evil. Or they could go for Titans and Old Gods lining up against eachother in the order vs. chaos fight then the Legion vs. the Naaru (or a faction comprising the Naaru) as good vs. evil with us in the middle just trying to stay alive.

I would love if it Blizzard went ahead with this concept. That the Titans, after all this time, might indeed be bad guys after all . Everything we know about them, the lore, history etc - could just be propoganda whilst the real truth was locked away with the Old Gods. This would be similar to what Blizzard did with Ulduars lore: It was once thought to be a city, now we are told 'we were wrong' and that it's more like a prison. Imagine a scenario where we actually struggle to free the Old Gods, because it's revealed a Titan army is en route to invade Azeroth and destroy everything, including us.

Far fetched maybe, but exploring the nature of the titans (Are they really the good guys here?) would make for a really interesting story twist.

While I like the idea of the Titans not being good guys, I disagree with it being tied to the Old Gods not being evil. I prefer to think of things like the Open Palm/Closed Fist approach from Jade Empire -- at the start of the game, that is, before Bioware reverted to their standard M.O. of "Open Palm = Order = Light = Good, Closed Fist = Chaos = Dark = Evil" for the rest of the game. Hell, you couldn't even *finish* the game as Closed Fist without being an absolute bastard.

The Titans want order... at any cost. The Old Gods want chaos... at any cost. Everyone on Azeroth wants to stay alive... at any cost.

I don't think that's possible anymore. The problem with a lot of story "twists" nowadays is that if you rewatched the movie, reread the book, etc. after knowing the plot twist, huge parts of the story don't make any sense at all. I think it's impossible now to retcon the old gods as the good guys without running into so many "wtf did they do that?" questions when revisiting old content.

Babylon 5 already did this.

The one thing that doesn't sit right with me. If we are to assume (and it IS an assumption) Night-Elves evolved from Trolls; where the hell did the Night-Elves discover Elune from?

Also, where are the Furlbog's from? We know the Kaldorei, Furlbogs and Earthen were united in fighting Omen. We know the Tauren know-of/believe-in Elune (to some degree).

Interestingly too; we also know Elune isn't above mating with lesser beings (Malorne). I ponder if there is more to Kaldorei = Children of the Stars. What if the Night-Elves really were from another planet?

To a certain degree, yes. But the Shadows were engaged themselves in all the fighting - with pretty superior firepower - asides from their "diplomatic" endeavors (one of the best storylines, ever). The Old Gods are limited to pulling strings in the background (aka Corruption(tm)) and never appearing on a battlefield due to their blob-size.

I'm not convinced that the Titans are "The Good Guys" too. I find it more likely, from a creators point of view, that they are mighty angry what happened to Azeroth due to the Curse of Flesh and want to push the Reset button now to get rid of all the minus development (us). Or maybe one faction of The Titans wants to push the button whereas the other one wants to keep things going leading to a nice little conflict in the Pantheon. There is a lot of potential and possible variety in the Ulduar storyline leading to all kinds of things like the 3.2 raid and future expansions.

Something interesting to add, is that the Titans object to cannibalism. In Uldaman, Trogs were labeled as being unacceptable creatures (or something along those lines) partly due to being cannibals.

Trolls have been cannibals for who knows how long. Oversight? It's not like they don't know Trolls exist. They've got statues/constellations of them in HoL.

Anyone ever pondered if the Curse of Flesh is because of the Old Gods? I mean, from the earth we are born, we return to the earth when we die, and while the Titans may have a firm hand in the shaping of the planet the Old Gods certainly have quite a bit of themselves literally invested in it.

Please, let's not have the war between determinism and Relativism here. Relativism always wins. (Except when it doesn't.)

That argument works for the Horde & Alliance, the Legion however is evil incarnate, in no shape or form are these beings of good, they don't believe what they're doing is right, they do it because they know it's evil and revel in it. :P

We don't know enough about the Old Gods or the Titans to come to a conclusion just yet. Even the watchers have all of us confused because we don't know HOW they were supposed to watch over Azeroth due to Yogg Saron's influence.

Let's not apply Relativism here as said above, it's a game, we know enough about the lore to come to clear conclusions about the factions and if they're evil or not despite their conflicts with one another.

But so do humans. There is the mage figure with a cape and a orb in hand.

So is it too far fetched to speculate that the Titans visited Azeroth again some time after the Curse of Flesh came into effect?

There are Night Elves too, come to think of it. I suppose it's not out of the question that the Watchers might redecorate once in a while

No dwarves or gnomes, however. I wonder what the significance is, if any.

The Constellations I remember are in both HoS as well as HoL. I do not remember seeing any of the other races in the Uldar previews.

A Human Mage,

A Night Elf Druid and a Fawn.

A Tauren Warrior.

And two Troll (hunters?) with spears.