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Old 01/06/09, 9:51 PM   #1381
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Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
If you see a problem with what somebody said, just correct them, no biggie.
Well that is all fine and well with information that is yet to be published on line and available in-game only. But when it comes to information that is on WoWWiki, in books, in comics, on Worldofwarcraft, there needs to be a level of awareness to what you're typing, and that it is as correct as you can get it.

Also just running Old Kingdom, Jedoga Shadowseeker refers to Yogg-Saron as master, and yells "Yogg-Saron! Grant me your power!" So it seems that Yogg is influenced in Azjol-Nerub more than Ulduar?

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Old 01/06/09, 10:26 PM   #1382
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Well, Jedoga herself is a member of the Twilight Hammer. We always knew they were in cahoots with the Old Gods. Pretty sure that's what half of Ashenvale quests are about (but I never did most of them; so).

The Faceless Ones definitely serve Yogg-Saron as well; however that doesn't mean the Nerubians are under strong influence. Remember Haddronix is fighting against Scourge units and yet we're there to kill both.

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 01/06/09, 10:40 PM   #1383
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Originally Posted by Tyrian View Post
The best way to make use of the titans-returning theme I think is a WoW 2 scenario. They would come back to current Azeroth, purge it (perhaps in the last expansion/content cycle to WoW) and WoW2 would begin with the 'new Azeroth'. Add in a civil war, similar in theme to the Angiris Council + Sanctuary disagreements.
There's not going to be a WoW 2 when WoW is generating more revenue than 1/8th of the entire U.S. theatrical box office, and with a much better profit margin. Even at half its current revenue, WoW would still be the single biggest entertainment property on Earth.

All the initial talk of expansion cycles and perceived life of the game went out the window a long time ago. It's inconceivable that Blizzard would "end" WoW or WoW story/new content for any arbitrary "let's move on" sort of reason. They'd repackage Azeroth as Oblivion-level graphics and have the third iteration of the Lich King return to lead the new Scourge/Death Knight/Forsaken/Vykul faction in an invasion of a Legion homeworld to kill Kil'Jaeden for the 4th time first. Including three-way naval warfare on Lake Firegrasp!

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More seriously, I think a revamp of Old World Azeroth to at least look as good as Northrend is probably on-tap somewhere. They've shown they can do it with Stormwind with the harbor and the new "horizons".

For the foreseeable future (i.e. years) the story content is going to go into WoW.

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Old 01/06/09, 11:37 PM   #1384
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More seriously, I think a revamp of Old World Azeroth to at least look as good as Northrend is probably on-tap somewhere
How much work would that take? Given the choice between new content and a 'revamped Azeroth' I would definetely prefer the former. A fancy Azeroth would be nice to check out for a few weeks or a month, but we've all seen it before. It's new content that will keep people playing for years from now, even if a revamp will perk up interest and admiration for the short term.

A much more practical solution is for Blizzard to pick ~3-5 zones at a time in Azeroth (gamer favourites) and do it slowly. I would love to see STV revamped, but that would probably be very similar to Scholazar Basin. Azshara would probably be my most wanted zone revamp pick. It has a great setting and colour scheme and really was very underused in vanilla WoW. A lot of people didn't even level in it.

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Old 01/07/09, 12:01 AM   #1385
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Originally Posted by Tyrian View Post
How much work would that take? Given the choice between new content and a 'revamped Azeroth' I would definetely prefer the former. A fancy Azeroth would be nice to check out for a few weeks or a month, but we've all seen it before. It's new content that will keep people playing for years from now, even if a revamp will perk up interest and admiration for the short term.

A much more practical solution is for Blizzard to pick ~3-5 zones at a time in Azeroth (gamer favourites) and do it slowly. I would love to see STV revamped, but that would probably be very similar to Scholazar Basin. Azshara would probably be my most wanted zone revamp pick. It has a great setting and colour scheme and really was very underused in vanilla WoW. A lot of people didn't even level in it.
With the running theory that a Maelstrom-centric expansion will follow Wrath, Azshara is fairly certain to get a revamp. As it stands right now, I don't imagine people go to that zone for anything but whatever leg of the level 50 class questchain they have to accomplish. The possibility that the Azshara Crater battleground might actually get purposed into being the next big BG would be interesting, if it's mechanics allowed it to be different from all of the other BGs so far.

On the topic of a revamp, a top-down redraw of Azeroth probably isn't in the cards, but would give them the chance to fill in some of the holes in the world. The uninstanced southern half of Silithus? The Titan Vault of Terramok, purportedly located underneath Maraudon? The blank zones bordering the Burning Steppes?

Bloody hell, I just want to know what Lower Karazahn is for.

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Old 01/07/09, 12:09 AM   #1386
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I think I would feel cheated of a decent expansion if Blizz just re-vamped Azeroth. True, a lot of it is going ot waste now - its valuable surface area. But we've already seen it and I think it wouldn't be a good move because it's extrememly susceptible to people just getting bored of the content.


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Old 01/07/09, 12:43 AM   #1387
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Yeah, I think everything agrees that a revamp of Azeroth would be cool, but that it's not worth doing at the expense of new content. I think Blizz should aim to complete some of the Azeroth zones that weren't fleshed out well, but these are minor side projects at best, like what they did with Dustwallow.

I'm a bit baffled by Blizzard's secret MMO project. Maybe they mean to cannibalize WoW, or maybe it won't be a competitor. Maybe WoW will be "modernized" graphics-wise in a future expansion, but I could see WoW 2 being in the works. I'd say that if they keep the graphics up to date, there are at least 3-4 expansions worth of content left to add that's already canonical.

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Old 01/07/09, 2:17 AM   #1388
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Originally Posted by Zogeth View Post
I think I would feel cheated of a decent expansion if Blizz just re-vamped Azeroth. True, a lot of it is going ot waste now - its valuable surface area. But we've already seen it and I think it wouldn't be a good move because it's extrememly susceptible to people just getting bored of the content.
This can very easily go the other way, too. I don't think very many people felt "cheated out of new villains" because Arugal, Korrak the Bloodrager, and so on show up in Northrend. That's obviously a much less severe example, but it illustrates the idea that just because something is old doesn't make it inherently less interesting to players - in a lot of cases, nostalgia for old content will make players enjoy it more, not less. A redone Azeroth, done right, would have the power to move players in different ways than a "new" continent would.

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Old 01/07/09, 2:40 AM   #1389
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I certainly thought it would be awesome to see Elwynn Forest/Westfall/Duskwood/Redridge post-Alliance starting area quests. There's always potential for a redone Azeroth, and I know we're all dying to see Hyjal.

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Old 01/07/09, 4:29 AM   #1390
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Originally Posted by Starfire View Post
The Faceless Ones definitely serve Yogg-Saron as well; however that doesn't mean the Nerubians are under strong influence. Remember Haddronix is fighting against Scourge units and yet we're there to kill both.
Incidentally, why *is* Hadronox fighting the nerubians? Who is he and what is he doing there in the first place?

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Old 01/07/09, 5:53 AM   #1391
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Since I hadn't seen it mentioned so far: there is a preview of the upcoming "Arthas" book at the end of "Night of the Dragon", which features Arthas, Ner'zhul and Mathias Lehner. The transscript was posted here.

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Old 01/07/09, 6:23 AM   #1392
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Originally Posted by Masnie View Post
Since I hadn't seen it mentioned so far: there is a preview of the upcoming "Arthas" book at the end of "Night of the Dragon", which features Arthas, Ner'zhul and Mathias Lehner. The transscript was posted here.
This scene settles, I think, the question of whether Matthias Lehner was the Lich King manipulating us or an autonomous part of former Arthas.

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Old 01/07/09, 7:21 AM   #1393
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Originally Posted by Liebestod View Post
I'm a bit baffled by Blizzard's secret MMO project. Maybe they mean to cannibalize WoW, or maybe it won't be a competitor.
The new MMO won't be in any existing universe and while I imagine that a lot of the formula which made WoW so successful will be retained, the story will likely be entirely different. They've done fantasy and sci-fi, so I would assume it won't be either of those... but then I'm at a loss to consider what it could be.

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Old 01/07/09, 8:13 AM   #1394
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Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
I certainly thought it would be awesome to see Elwynn Forest/Westfall/Duskwood/Redridge post-Alliance starting area quests. There's always potential for a redone Azeroth, and I know we're all dying to see Hyjal.
While phasing has always been in game (ghost/spirit world versus the player interactive world), imagine the effects of true phasing (icecrown style) on some of the Azerothian areas. It might make it slightly harder to help lower level friends, but I'd love to see it happen.

However, on another note, I just finished The Dark Portal, and I'd love to hear from people what their interpretation of chapter twenty eight would be.. (avoiding direct spoilers here, if anyone is interested in discussing this I'd love to join, but I don't want to ruin the book for anyone, regardless of how NPC's and quests in Honor Hold do that anyhow).

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Old 01/07/09, 8:14 AM   #1395
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Incidentally, why *is* Hadronox fighting the nerubians? Who is he and what is he doing there in the first place?
To me it seem Hadronox is a Living Nerubian, some type of brood mother or egg layer, who is trying to escape from the scourge infested Azjol-Nerub.

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