There are very few bosses that can/should pull a "Kael'thas". Hell the only reason Kael'thas pulled that move was to toss in a boss in an instance no one cared about and give some people a chance to, in some way, experience the fight that was one of the hardest, longest fights in TBC pre nurfs/out gear.
If I have to fight a zombie Malygos I'm going to be very disappointed. The only real bosses I can see pulling some of these moves are MAYBE KJ, Yog and C'thun. But beyond that there are very few bosses who deserve "A second chance" let alone have the ability/resources to make it happen. The idea that we keep suggesting bosses might "Kael'thas - it" back into another instance is a really bad way to look at things.
The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.
Also, somewhat unclear as to what happened to Ragnaros. Can you really kill an Elemental Lord? Or is he just banished back to the Elemental Plane? (and/or if he does die, is there a new Elemental Lord?).
I've always wanted a rematch with Nefarian and Onyxia though. Simultaneously. I wouldn't mind if in some raid-instance Onyxia and Nefarian have been necro'd.
Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
Does anyone else feel like killing Yogg-Saron would just be "too huge" of an event to happen in one encounter / one instance? He's the source of saronite and has numerous locations all around Northrend, from corrupting the tree in Grizzly Hills to whispering you in Howling Fjord to one of his massive maws at the Weeping Quary. I find it difficult to believe that it would all end in Ulduar.
I kinda bought it with Kael'Thas too. He was the leader of the Blood Elves and arguably one of the most powerful men in Outlands. Having him become resurrected and move his eyes to the Sunwell wasn't that farfetched.
I really hope that 3.2 is Azjol'Nerub, either in a Caverns of Time form or a real new instance. The changes to The Old Kingdom to include a new hallway that seems pretty random - why would they change it if not for some long term purpose? I personally like the idea of fighting Yogg-Saron in Ulduar and having him lose and then submerge back very very deep into Azjol'Nerub. I mean, look in the Old Kingdom and the first portion of Azjol'Nerub - you're still VERY close to the surface, and yet this kingdom is supposed to go hundreds of thousands of feet into the earth.
It could also play into the titans storyline. If Blizzard made it somehow that you had to fight Yogg-Saron before you were able to engage Algalon, then Algalon could be trying to report back that Yogg-Saron had gone back into the depths and that the only possibility was extinction. When you go back to Rhonin, Rhonin could convince the Titans to give you (the raiders) one last chance to extinguish Yogg-Saron for good.
Does anyone else feel like killing Yogg-Saron would just be "too huge" of an event to happen in one encounter / one instance? He's the source of saronite and has numerous locations all around Northrend, from corrupting the tree in Grizzly Hills to whispering you in Howling Fjord to one of his massive maws at the Weeping Quary. I find it difficult to believe that it would all end in Ulduar.
I kinda bought it with Kael'Thas too. He was the leader of the Blood Elves and arguably one of the most powerful men in Outlands. Having him become resurrected and move his eyes to the Sunwell wasn't that farfetched.
I really hope that 3.2 is Azjol'Nerub, either in a Caverns of Time form or a real new instance. The changes to The Old Kingdom to include a new hallway that seems pretty random - why would they change it if not for some long term purpose? I personally like the idea of fighting Yogg-Saron in Ulduar and having him lose and then submerge back very very deep into Azjol'Nerub. I mean, look in the Old Kingdom and the first portion of Azjol'Nerub - you're still VERY close to the surface, and yet this kingdom is supposed to go hundreds of thousands of feet into the earth.
It could also play into the titans storyline. If Blizzard made it somehow that you had to fight Yogg-Saron before you were able to engage Algalon, then Algalon could be trying to report back that Yogg-Saron had gone back into the depths and that the only possibility was extinction. When you go back to Rhonin, Rhonin could convince the Titans to give you (the raiders) one last chance to extinguish Yogg-Saron for good.
There was no change to the Old Kingdom instance. The instance always had that random hallway since the instance itself is cut out of the original AN zone.
Originally Posted by AJAlkaline
Hm, you know, a lot of people felt that the whole blue dragon storyline was really cut short, what with Malygos being the very second raid. It seemed odd for a storyline that spanned multiple zones and was sort of an expansion selling point, though it is obvious that the storyline was cut back on, what with how Crystal Song ended up.
Now, this might not be very likely at all, but what if Malygos were to pull a Kael'thas? When he dies, he falls into the void, you don't get to see a dead body. They could bring in Crystal Song as a Quel'danas sort of thing, and have him back in the Chamber of Aspects, trying some last ditch effort to bring about some magical catastrophe. It would certainly make sense for Blizzard to keep it a secret.
Of course, with this sort of thing they tend to have a good deal of foreshadowing, and I don't think anything that happens in the Malygos fight really makes you think "Oh, he's coming back". Rather, it's pretty final, especially how Alexstraza is about it.
Alexstrasza took the Heart of Magic (which will be used to empower the new Aspect) from his corpse so he is dead for good.
*Big Edit*
Voiceovers for Ulduar have been added and there is voiceovers for Ysera, Neltharion etc. which is going over the creation of the Demon Soul. It seems to be a vision part of the Yogg-Saron encounter and gives a pretty big hint to who the Old God that whispered Neltharion is in my opinion.
There are MANY other voiceovers for characters such as Garona, Arthas, and Llane with 'vision' type things.
The Rhonin voiceovers basically do make it seem the Titans decided destroying Azeroth was the best option which explains the quest. When dying Algalon mentions how the freewill of the races of Azeroth allow them to overcome any odds and make them superior to any Titan creation. In turn he re-arranges the code he was going to send to say that Azeroth should not be destroyed and the message is later sent in Dalaran by Rhonin.
Partially backtracking a page to the next expansion speculation, the idea of having the Maelstrom expansion serving as a kind of 'loose ends' expansion to wrap up the Maelstrom, Emerald Nightmare and Deathwing stories isn't entirely inconceivable.
They could easily place a single Old God as responsible for:
- The Highborne's corruption and subsequent transformation (the Naga, Azshara, and Nazjatar would have to be a focal zone/raid in a Maelstrom expansion)
- The corruption of Neltharion (weakening the dragonflights and lessening their ability to react to threats such as...)
- The Emerald Nightmare (the Old God may very well have only learnt about the Dream from the Highborne).
Not to mention the Emerald Dream is a world untouched by mortal hands, therefore no Great Sundering, therefore a single continent of Kalimdor which is geographically right on top of the Maelstrom. Of course the Dream is another plane and it therefore doesn't sit on the Maelstrom in a real world geographical sense, but it's still pretty convenient isn't it?
Uploading a zip right now for those of you that are interested.
I decided to try my hand at an MPQ extractor and managed to get the files out by myself, so I'll write a short summary of the lore relevant voice-overs while you are uploading the zip file.
Very interesting, the Archivum voice files tell us that Loken's death (Prime Designate's demise) is the first sign of systemic corruption on the planet, so the Algalon fail-safe was activated due to us killing Loken back at Halls. Algalon then is summoned to our planet, and supposed to conduct a planetary analysis and send a reply to the Pantheon, two possible replies: Code Alpha (meaning everything is well), or Code Omega, meaning that planetary "re-origination" is required.
The Archivum goes on to mention that the odds of a Code Omega reply are of "99.99 ... repeating of course".
Algalon's voice overs start with him telling us to stand back, that he's not here to fight us, and he is conducting the planet analysis. He says there are signs of corruption in the planet's life-support systems, and complete corruption of the planet's defense mechanisms, and fires back Code Omega to the Pantheon -- at this point it seems is when the fight starts. He has a long and split "death" soundfile, in which he mentions that other worlds and all of its denizens were bathed in the flames of the creators and faded without as much as a whimper, entire planetary systems destroyed and created in the time it takes our heart once to beat, all while his own heart, completely devoid of emotion and empathy, he has felt nothing while millions of life were wasted:
Originally Posted by Algalon the Destroyer of Raids
Had they all held on with your tenacity, had them all loved life as you do... Perhaps it is your imperfection that which grants you free will. That allows you to persevere against all cosmically calculated odds. You prevailed where the Titan's own perfect creations have failed. I've rearranged the reply code, your planet will be spared. I cannot be certain of my own calculations anymore.
Do not worry about my fate, Bronzen(??), if the signal is not transmitted in time, re-origination will be proceeded regardless. Save. Your. World.
Makes the Titans seem absurdly powerful, though, which they really shouldn't be. (Why can't Sargeras destroy worlds in a heartbeat? Then again, it wouldn't be the first time Blizzard resorted to absurd hyperbole... who remembers that Dimensius had apparently taken over the Ethereal homeworld?) Perhaps the "complete corruption" of the defense mechanisms are a reference to the Emerald Dream... I imagine that it could have been conceived as a "backup" version of Azeroth to be implemented in the case of "reorigination", but apparently that failsafe is in trouble as well.
I'm hoping that Ulduar gives a little more background on the Titan Experiments and/or Old Gods than technobabble that will be decoded eventually, but Blizzard hasn't been particularly good at foreshadowing across expansions. Still, imagine if they just named another Old God or two... that would be great.
I have to say, the Yogg-Saron voice overs sound very intriguing. His "death" sound file does not sound like a death at all to me. That is of course going off of speculation since the fight hasn't been tested yet, but even so...
"Your fate is sealed. The end of days is finally upon you, and all who would have at this miserable little seedling."
He then speaks in an unknown language that seems to trail off as though he is vanishing. Maybe I'm wrong, but you never know. Just listen to the file and you'll know what I mean. Text doesn't do it justice.
He also seems to show you visions of numerous events in Azeroth's past, with his commentary.
Voiceovers for Ulduar have been added and there is voiceovers for Ysera, Neltharion etc. which is going over the creation of the Demon Soul. It seems to be a vision part of the Yogg-Saron encounter and gives a pretty big hint to who the Old God that whispered Neltharion is in my opinion.
There are MANY other voiceovers for characters such as Garona, Arthas, and Llane with 'vision' type things.
The Rhonin voiceovers basically do make it seem the Titans decided destroying Azeroth was the best option which explains the quest. When dying Algalon mentions how the freewill of the races of Azeroth allow them to overcome any odds and make them superior to any Titan creation. In turn he re-arranges the code he was going to send to say that Azeroth should not be destroyed and the message is later sent in Dalaran by Rhonin.
Some of it Leviathon mentioned. There are a couple rather frightening sound files under the name "Arthas Prisoner" that may correlate in a scene with the Lich King sound files.
And yeah, the Yogg-Saron and Deathwing connection is plausible. Yogg-Saron fashions himself as the "God of Death"
and Deathwing calls himself things like the Bane of Life.
Yogg-Saron also says "His brood learned their lesson before too long. You will soon learn yours." This looks to be his commentary for the creation of the Demon Soul.
And he also says this: "You will learn no king rules forever. Only death is eternal." This could very well be his commentary for the death of King Llane.
It seems for his encounter, Yogg-Saron starts off in a female form, seemingly to deceive you. This female avatar screams out, calling for your aid, then tells you to prepare to "strike at the head of the beast" and attack his minions with hatred. This seems to be the first phase of the encounter, for the sound file for the second phase is very chilling.
"I am the lucid dream, the monster in your nightmares, the fiend of a thousand faces. Cower before my true form! Bow down before the God of Death!"
Around "the monster in your nightmares" the voice slowly warps to a male voice.
All in all, extremely fascinating. While it won't be as difficult and tense as Algalon appears to be, it looks to be fun nonetheless.
Bronzan refers to Brann Bronzebeard's username for the Titan archives, as seen in the Halls of Stone event:
I guess I was just thrown off by the fact he said "Bronzan" and not Branbronze, but yes, that is correct.
About why Sargeras' can't just destroy worlds in the blink of an eye, maybe that has to do with the implemented defense mechanisms? I don't think we'll get a true answer on that one.
I decided to try my hand at an MPQ extractor and managed to get the files out by myself, so I'll write a short summary of the lore relevant voice-overs while you are uploading the zip file.
Very interesting, the Archivum voice files tell us that Loken's death (Prime Designate's demise) is the first sign of systemic corruption on the planet, so the Algalon fail-safe was activated due to us killing Loken back at Halls. Algalon then is summoned to our planet, and supposed to conduct a planetary analysis and send a reply to the Pantheon, two possible replies: Code Alpha (meaning everything is well), or Code Omega, meaning that planetary "re-origination" is required.
The Archivum goes on to mention that the odds of a Code Omega reply are of "99.99 ... repeating of course".
Algalon's voice overs start with him telling us to stand back, that he's not here to fight us, and he is conducting the planet analysis. He says there are signs of corruption in the planet's life-support systems, and complete corruption of the planet's defense mechanisms, and fires back Code Omega to the Pantheon -- at this point it seems is when the fight starts. He has a long and split "death" soundfile, in which he mentions that other worlds and all of its denizens were bathed in the flames of the creators and faded without as much as a whimper, entire planetary systems destroyed and created in the time it takes our heart once to beat, all while his own heart, completely devoid of emotion and empathy, he has felt nothing while millions of life were wasted:
Overall the lore seems pretty deep and I look forward to seeing it in game.
Originally Posted by Liebestod
Sounds neat. Can't wait for the .mp3 upload..
Makes the Titans seem absurdly powerful, though, which they really shouldn't be. (Why can't Sargeras destroy worlds in a heartbeat? Then again, it wouldn't be the first time Blizzard resorted to absurd hyperbole... who remembers that Dimensius had apparently taken over the Ethereal homeworld?) Perhaps the "complete corruption" of the defense mechanisms are a reference to the Emerald Dream... I imagine that it could have been conceived as a "backup" version of Azeroth to be implemented in the case of "reorigination", but apparently that failsafe is in trouble as well.
I'm hoping that Ulduar gives a little more background on the Titan Experiments and/or Old Gods than technobabble that will be decoded eventually, but Blizzard hasn't been particularly good at foreshadowing across expansions. Still, imagine if they just named another Old God or two... that would be great.
Well Sargeras wasn't exactly some super Titan and I doubt a single Titan destroyed those other worlds. The lore in HoS makes it seem the Old Gods are a race that can travel the cosmos so it is very likely that the Titans have dealt with their kind corrupting other worlds and had to destroy those worlds.
I'm looking over those files and.... still no mention of Tyr? At all? Anywhere? Weird.
Maybe we'll find him on the beach on some random South Seas island. "Yeah, I decided to go on vacation when Loken went nuts... how are things going up at Ulduar, anyways?"
There seems to be a rather huge implication in the sound file archive posted. Because it's that large, it's getting a spoiler block. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK
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Is it me, or are the Lich King sound files suggesting that Arthas took control of Yogg-Saron?
"Your fate is sealed. The end of days is finally upon you, and all who would have at this miserable little ceiling." (The last word may not be ceiling, I couldn't fully tell, but that's what it sounded like to me)
It's "and all those who inhabit this miserable little seedling".
There seems to be a rather huge implication in the sound file archive posted. Because it's that large, it's getting a spoiler block. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK
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Is it me, or are the Lich King sound files suggesting that Arthas took control of Yogg-Saron?
He's could be talking to his prisoner.
Also, did anyone notice the references to the Leeroy Jenkins video:
There seems to be a rather huge implication in the sound file archive posted. Because it's that large, it's getting a spoiler block. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK
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Is it me, or are the Lich King sound files suggesting that Arthas took control of Yogg-Saron?
I think he is referring to Mathias and how he broke Arthas and will break Mathias also.
Also, did anyone notice the references to the Leeroy Jenkins video:
Haha. I took it as a reference to the whole "does .9999 = 1?" argument. But it looks like it's actually both.
It would've been better if the chance of reorigination was 32.3333.... and then Brann aggroed him.
Also, I'd say that hearing an Old God refer to his planet as a "seedling" pretty much confirms some sort of intergalactic origin... not that it's much of a surprise at this point.
- The Yogg-Saron scenes with Garona and Arthas are odd... is it being implied that Yogg-Saron had something to do with these events?
- I agree that his "death" sound doesn't sound like he actually dies. Hm. But one can only assume.
God I hope so, on both accounts.
Man, I can't wait for Old Gods to start really amping up in importance in the storyline.
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I also wonder how they plan to keep the 3.2 instance from seeming like a let-down after this, unless it actually is a YS followup. It sure won't seem quite as interesting if it's just another troll instance.
There is no need to use the spoiler tags in this thread it was created specifically for them, hence the tag in the name.
Originally Posted by Zyla
Plus, my anus is painfree and still virginal!
Originally Posted by madsushi
Honestly, if you're any good, then you know about the changes as soon as they happen and you adjust. If you're not any good, Blacksen's already benched you by now, and so who cares.
03/03/09, 3:26 PM
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