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Old 01/13/09, 1:36 PM   #1456
ildon
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Originally Posted by karokajoka View Post
If I recall correctly, a top 10ish guild (Death & Taxes maybe?) tried it with all priests alive around the 2.0 patch, and said it was possible, but not worth the effort. But that's two years ago, so my recollection may be iffy.
The guild was Elitist Jerks.

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Old 01/13/09, 1:36 PM   #1457
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Would have been. EJ came so amazingly close.

Edit: I blame latency. Yeah.

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Old 01/13/09, 2:14 PM   #1458
Talgog
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Originally Posted by zoombini View Post
Nope. I still haven't heard of a guild who did it with all animal bosses up, even at 80.
That would be because that's not worth mentioning. Multiple classes can solo him with the priests down.

An 80 raid of any size would easily blow him up while ignoring the extra abilities. The nastiest ones - Jeklik's silence, Arlokk's aggro wipe - just don't matter to 80's because any 80 has the HP to tank him and, between tank classes being able to solo him and the large mechanic change to heals over time since Hakkar was originally designed, the silence just isn't dangerous to a tank.

The only real problem for the *60* project was Arlokk.

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Old 01/13/09, 3:02 PM   #1459
Incoherence
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Originally Posted by zoombini View Post
Nope. I still haven't heard of a guild who did it with all animal bosses up, even at 80.
I've done it personally, although I seem to remember it was actually post-3.0 but before WotLK. We just brought 6 or 7 plate wearers and blew him up before he murdered everyone with his multiple aggro drops.

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Old 01/13/09, 4:06 PM   #1460
Exemplar
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Originally Posted by Ukerric View Post
That suggests a far more original raid idea in which the goal isn't to kill Boss #xx, but somehow break defenses and recover stuff. A raid, in the true sense of the term. And find a chest filled with epics along the way, of course.
Level 60 Strat 45minute + Wintergrasp/Strand. Break into a keep/castle/fortress/whatever. Fight through the troops. Reach the boss(es). Defeat the boss(es). All before the boss could complete his wicked plan. If you want three drakes difficulties you can layer on guardian bosses - you can checkpoint them on way to master boss, or take alternate routes and main boss calls them in just like 3D.

If they plan to spring Neltharion from his Schroedinger's box (as far as the major NPCs are concerned, he's dead) then I expect we will see him featured in every content patch. I'd expect CoA quick raid each patch with Black Dragonflight involvement. Might I suggest CoA Bronze - attempting to whelpnap bronze eggs, I'm sure Deathwing would love to breed in time travel. I don't think it would be difficult to come up with one for each flight.

They could even go for Meta Achievements - defeat all CoA within a certain timeframe, gain all the 3D equivalent achievements, etc. Or make quests to do them in sequence. You know, backfill the missing motivation and story. Again it'd be a good opportunity to build towards some potential Deathwing raid, if that is their goal (which is still 100% supposition at this point).


Side topic: Where are the World Bosses? Is Blizzard starved for ideas? Just send a giant Thrym stomping down across the landscape.

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Old 01/13/09, 4:30 PM   #1461
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Originally Posted by Exemplar View Post
Side topic: Where are the World Bosses? Is Blizzard starved for ideas? Just send a giant Thrym stomping down across the landscape.
I had assumed this was Jotun's purpose, but he appears not to have one at all.

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Old 01/14/09, 7:06 AM   #1462
Hycinna
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Originally Posted by Earthhoof View Post
I had assumed this was Jotun's purpose, but he appears not to have one at all.
I haven't a clue what's goin on with Thym, but Jotun might still have a purpose! Ulduar should be coming out within the next decade or so...

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Old 01/14/09, 9:23 AM   #1463
norg
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Originally Posted by Hycinna View Post
I haven't a clue what's goin on with Thym, but Jotun might still have a purpose! Ulduar should be coming out within the next decade or so...
Eh, there's a quest to kill Thrym by riding along on that giant king's back.

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Old 01/14/09, 9:26 AM   #1464
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Originally Posted by Hycinna View Post
I haven't a clue what's goin on with Thym, but Jotun might still have a purpose! Ulduar should be coming out within the next decade or so...
I assume you mean Thrym? I doubt much will come of him since we deal with him already in The Storm King's Vengeance - Quest - World of Warcraft

Edit: Gah, I'm too slow.

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[Y]ou will tank 3 mobs, and only 3 mobs. 5 shalt thou not tank, nor shalt thou tank 4. Thou shalt not tank 2 mobs unless it is on the way to tanking 3 mobs.

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Old 01/14/09, 10:36 AM   #1465
Emeraude
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So some info on the upcoming book which I'm extremely giddy about

Full Title: World of Warcraft: Arthas, Rise of the Lich King. Comes out in April.

It's going to be a Hardcover book, and 384 pages long, which is the longest for any WoW Novel to date.

It'll cover his life as a child, his PoV during the 2nd War, growing up, his love triangle with Jaina/Kael'thas. Hopefully it'll cover his desperation during the beginning of the 3rd War as well as what happened immediately after he merged with Ner'zhul.

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Old 01/14/09, 10:39 AM   #1466
Hycinna
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Originally Posted by norg View Post
Eh, there's a quest to kill Thrym by riding along on that giant king's back.
Oh, that's right, we do kill Thrym in that quest. Again, we killed Rivendare in Stratholme, and then he took over for Morgraine in Naxxramas, so it doesn't mean we won't see him again.

But yeah, Ulduar is coming out soon, hopefully more things with the Wyrmrest Accord/Jotun come up.

Originally Posted by Emeraude View Post
It'll cover his life as a child, his PoV during the 2nd War, growing up, his love triangle with Jaina/Kael'thas. Hopefully it'll cover his desperation during the beginning of the 3rd War as well as what happened immediately after he merged with Ner'zhul.
I'm looking forward to the book as well. I'm more interested in the 2nd War than I am with the merging of Ner'zhul though.

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Old 01/14/09, 10:54 AM   #1467
Exemplar
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My point wasn't "Let's kill Thrym", yes, you already kill Thrym. My point was "Where are the World Bosses?"

Since Thrym already exists as a model with animations, this is why it would be so easy to duplicate as a World Boss. Use the same model, blow it up 25% larger, give it a different name. Have it wander somewhere. It was a tossed off no-brainer suggestion for a World Boss. Surely Blizzard could actually come up with better.

Here are more tossed off ideas:
Put a sea monster south of Wyrmrest tower as a prelude to something Maelstrom.

Put a huge Titan Construct working to repair something up in Storm Peaks. Maybe one of those spare fly-in mountains (I remember there being more places than you need to go for questing). "Repairs interrupted. Engaging cleaning protocols to remove foreign substance."

Plop a blue dragon in Crystal Song battering at the outside of the Dalaran Teleport shield. "You will not defeat the master!" Nicely ambiguous, even - is it working for Malygos, Deathwing, Yogg-Saron? It's not like it would interfere with questing in that zone as long as it's possible to land-mount ride leveling characters in to reach Dalaran for the first time.


My point remains - Blizzard could easily have World Bosses. They suddenly don't. I don't recall any developer interviews regarding 'Yeah, world bosses never went over well so we've scrapped that idea.' - they're just suddenly not present this ex-pac. A new World Boss every patch would be just as nifty as the rest of staged releasing. I think World Bosses can add to the lore or storyline. Doomwalker trying to break into BT was always a cool idea.

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Old 01/14/09, 12:02 PM   #1468
Douglas
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Originally Posted by Exemplar View Post
Side topic: Where are the World Bosses?.
Didn't Blizzard basically say that due to competition over spawns and due to PvP interference, they don't want to have these at all anymore? Archavon (a boss that isn't always up, and for whom getting access involves PvP) is the sort of thing we get instead now, no?

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Old 01/14/09, 1:51 PM   #1469
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World bosses with associated events and just achievements as rewards (no loot) would be a good compromise in my opinion.

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Old 01/14/09, 1:58 PM   #1470
Exemplar
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I always assumed the lower itemization on loot was the balance for competition/PvP/etc. Ideally nothing is best in slot on them, so they're just fun additional bosses people can choose to kill.

As suggested, making them achievements also would be fun.

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