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Old 09/22/09, 6:55 AM   #286
Mandalay
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Originally Posted by Starfox View Post
Hit and expertise are derived with negativ deltas, the sim looks how much dps you lose from substracting X hit rating.
Could you please explain further?

Anything over the soft cap should result in zero reduction in DPS for the loss of a single point +hit rating. Only when the +hit reduction drops below the soft cap should it have any effect on DPS, but instead I am getting the following results when using this script

cd /d "%~d1%~p1" simcraft.exe armory=us,Dath'Remar,XXX max_time=600 optimal_raid=1 smooth_rng=1 threads=2 iterations=20000 calculate_scale_factors=1 smooth_scale_factors=0 html=XXX.html

DPS: 7691.5 Error=1.8 Range=504 DPR=24.8 RPS=310.6/277.7 (mana)
Origin: The World of Warcraft Armory
Core Stats: strength=319|68(10) agility=327|75(10) stamina=1554|1093(932) intellect=1230|1014(857) spirit=804|607(436) health=22500|18236 mana=22571|19233
Spell Stats: power=3271|2273(2273) hit=14.68%|14.68%(385) crit=27.87%|20.51%(446) penetration=0|0(0) haste=20.78%|11.68%(383) mp5=0|0
Attack Stats power=1185|58(0) hit=11.74%|11.74%(385) crit=23.84%|13.82%(446) expertise=0.00|0.00(0) penetration=0.00%|0.00%(0) haste=38.04%|11.68%(383)
Defense Stats: armor=2618|2114(1964) blockv=160|34(0) defense=0|0(0) miss=0.00%|0.00% dodge=0.00%|0.00%(0) parry=0.00%|0.00%(0) block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=13.90%|13.90%
Glyphs: life_tap/unending_breath/souls/conflagrate/drain_soul/incinerate
Actions:
chaos_bolt Count= 39.0|15.5sec DPE= 11931|10% DPET= 8310 DPR= 49.3 pDPS= 775 Miss=0.0% Hit=7531 Crit=15738|18565|53.6%
conflagrate Count= 55.0|10.9sec DPE= 12855|15% DPET= 9860 DPR= 23.2 pDPS=1179 Miss=0.0% Hit=7462 Crit=15589|18651|66.4%
curse_of_doom Count= 9.0|61.0sec DPE= 16715| 3% DPET= 12549 DPR= 28.9 pDPS= 251 Miss=0.0% TickCount=9 Tick=16715
immolate Count= 38.1|15.9sec DPE= 12646|10% DPET= 11097 DPR= 21.5 pDPS= 803 Miss=0.0% Hit=2480 Crit= 5184| 6188|48.4% TickCount=188 Tick=1799
incinerate Count=244.8| 2.4sec DPE= 9873|52% DPET= 6105 DPR= 20.4 pDPS=4029 Miss=0.0% Hit=6094 Crit=12731|15515|56.9%
imp (DPS=655.3)
fire_bolt Count=317.2| 1.9sec DPE= 1238| 9% DPET= 655 DPR= 6.9 pDPS= 654 Miss=0.0% Hit=1121 Crit= 1682| 1854|20.7%
Constant Buffs: arcane_brilliance/blessing_of_kings/blessing_of_might/blessing_of_wisdom/divine_spirit/fel_armor/fortitude
Constant Buffs: mark_of_the_wild/replenishment
Dynamic Buffs:
backdraft : start=55.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 10.9|10.9 uptime=49% benefit=46%
bloodlust : start=1.0 refresh=0.0 interval= 0.0|0.0 uptime= 7%
dying_curse : start=11.3 refresh=0.0 interval= 54.4|54.4 uptime=19% trigger=15%
empowered_imp : start=64.2 refresh=1.6 interval= 9.2|9.0 uptime=11% benefit=17%
illustration_of_the_dragon_soul : start=1.0 refresh=384.9 interval= 0.0|1.6 uptime=100%
life_tap_glyph : start=13.2 refresh=2.8 interval= 42.0|38.6 uptime=99% benefit=98%
lightweave_embroidery : start=9.9 refresh=0.0 interval= 63.7|63.7 uptime=25% trigger=35%
pyroclasm : start=36.5 refresh=0.0 interval= 16.3|16.3 uptime=60% benefit=48%
Procs:
283.5 | 2.61sec : judgement_of_wisdom
16.1 | 38.56sec : life_tap
Gains:
13061.4 : blessing_of_wisdom
22570.5 : initial_mana
21862.8 : judgement_of_wisdom
58741.8 : life_tap (overflow=6.3%)
26997.8 : replenishment
45900.8 : soul_leech
Scale Factors:
Weights : Sta=0.00 Int=0.34 Spi=1.02 SP=1.53 Hit=3.05 Crit=0.81 Haste=1.10
Wowhead : Items - World of Warcraft

Auras and De-Buffs:
Constant: abominations_might/battle_shout/bleeding/blood_frenzy/crypt_fever/curse_of_elements/earth_and_moon
Constant: elemental_oath/expose_armor/faerie_fire/ferocious_inspiration/flametongue_totem/heart_of_the_crusader
Constant: hunters_mark/improved_faerie_fire/improved_moonkin/improved_scorch/improved_shadow_bolt/infected_wounds
Constant: insect_swarm/judgement_of_wisdom/judgements_of_the_just/leader_of_the_pack/mana_spring_totem/mangle
Constant: master_poisoner/misery/moonkin/poisoned/rampage/sanctified_retribution/savage_combat/strength_of_earth
Constant: sunder_armor/swift_retribution/thunder_clap/totem_of_wrath/totem_of_wrath_debuff/trauma/trueshot
Constant: unleashed_rage/windfury_totem/winters_chill/wrath_of_air
Dynamic:

Waiting:
All players active 100% of the time.

Baseline Performance:
TotalEvents = 66476797
MaxEventQueue = 23
TargetHealth = 4609215
SimSeconds = 11999914
CpuSeconds = 24.757
SpeedUp = 484708

RNG global Actual/Expected Roll=1.000101 Range=1.000000 Gauss=1.000000

Scale Factors:
XXX Sta=0.00 Int=0.34 Spi=1.02 SP=1.53 Hit=3.05 Crit=0.81 Haste=1.10 Lag=0.00


Hit also seems to be reporting incorrectly when following the link to either Lootrank or Wowhead, with a massive bias toward hit gear despite the 0% miss rate reported with the scale factors.

Could anyone please offer some insight?

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Old 09/22/09, 7:07 AM   #287
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Scale Factor = ( DPS( Stat + Delta ) - DPS( Stat ) ) / Delta

Hit:
Stat=385
Delta=-150

SF = ( DPS( Hit=235 ) - DPS( Hit=385 ) ) / -150

The scale factors for Hit and Expertise are derived by REMOVING Hit/Expertise and seeing how much DPS is LOST.

We do this because for many classes the cap is "hard" (not soft).

Given the frequency with which I have to answer this question, I'm starting to regret this decision......


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Old 09/22/09, 6:25 PM   #288
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Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen View Post
Given the frequency with which I have to answer this question, I'm starting to regret this decision......
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Probably best to add it to a FAQ or something and hope people read it.

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Old 09/26/09, 5:25 PM   #289
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SimulationCraft r3393 available for download.

See RecentUpdates for list of key changes.

For those folks who roll their own executable, I encourage you to start playing with the Qt wrapper. It is not yet complete, but I need help making sure it will work on all platforms.


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Old 10/13/09, 11:49 AM   #290
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Thanks and congrats for a very useful et impressive tool. I'm in awe of your work.

It badly needs a way to take mobility into account, though. Most fights are very mobile, or at least have very mobile phases. Event if we don't take those phases's impact on raid buffs/debuffs into account, they have a huge impact on individual DPS, varying with your spec.

I remember when my main toon was a hunter, I did more damage on Ignis et Kolo as BM, because while my toon was wasting time running around AOEs, or I was messing up the rotation looking out for them, Wolf was single- mindedly chewing its prey.

Mobility must be a bitch to model, between the "can't stop for more than 4s" phases, the "move for 3s every 15s" and the other variations. But it would really take simulcraft to another level :-)

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Old 10/13/09, 3:12 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by StormyParis View Post
Thanks and congrats for a very useful et impressive tool. I'm in awe of your work.

It badly needs a way to take mobility into account, though. Most fights are very mobile, or at least have very mobile phases. Event if we don't take those phases's impact on raid buffs/debuffs into account, they have a huge impact on individual DPS, varying with your spec.

I remember when my main toon was a hunter, I did more damage on Ignis et Kolo as BM, because while my toon was wasting time running around AOEs, or I was messing up the rotation looking out for them, Wolf was single- mindedly chewing its prey.

Mobility must be a bitch to model, between the "can't stop for more than 4s" phases, the "move for 3s every 15s" and the other variations. But it would really take simulcraft to another level :-)
There are some raid events you can trigger, movement, stun, vulnerability, but that feature is pretty undocumented I think

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Old 10/14/09, 7:24 PM   #292
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I was contacted by a friendly-but-firm employee of simcraft.com, a racing/flight simulation hardware/software company:

Per his request I am renaming our downloads and our execs to start out "simulationcraft" instead of "simcraft".

He also asked me to publicly request that people stop saying "simcraft" when they mean "simulationcraft" because we are corporately diluting his name brand. So....

Please stop saying/typing/humming/signing "simcraft" when you mean "simulationcraft".

I'm not sure what good that will do...... but he asked nicely and I try to accommodate nice people.


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Old 10/15/09, 5:29 AM   #293
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I'd love for the executable to be sim.exe or something... surely that would be permissible?

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Old 10/15/09, 7:35 AM   #294
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Originally Posted by Zakalwe View Post
I'd love for the executable to be sim.exe or something... surely that would be permissible?
Good idea. How about sim.exe and simgui.exe?


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Old 10/15/09, 10:30 AM   #295
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Originally Posted by dedmonwakeen View Post
Good idea. How about sim.exe and simgui.exe?
I see a lot of google hits for sim.exe and wowsim.exe. simwow looks less "busy."

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Old 10/15/09, 11:45 AM   #296
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So, I'm trying to get action lists built for Frost's 3.3 changes. I'm finding the results odd, thought I'd see if anyone had any suggestions for what I'm doing wrong.

Here's the action list (the items I've added are in bold):

actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm
actions+=/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak
actions+=/water_elemental
actions+=/arcane_brilliance
actions+=/focus_magic
actions+=/counterspell
actions+=/mirror_image
actions+=/icy_veins
actions+=/mana_gem
actions+=/speed_potion
actions+=/frost_bolt,frozen_core=1
actions+=/ice_lance,frozen=1,haste<=0.40
actions+=/frost_bolt,frozen=1
actions+=/cold_snap
actions+=/frost_bolt
actions+=/evocation
actions+=/ice_lance,moving=1,frozen=1
actions+=/fire_blast,moving=1
actions+=/ice_lance,moving=1

Water Elemental is moved up top since you should have it out before the fight starts now.

The Frostbolt and Ice Lance additions are intended to simulate this behavior:

- If the Frozen Core buff is up, you cast a Frostbolt, no matter what.

- If FoF is up and haste has not exceeded 40%, you cast an Ice Lance. This should trigger Ice Lance on the second charge, because the sim won't (I think) interrupt a Frostbolt cast that's already begun when the proc happens. (I'm ignoring Ghost Charges for this particular action list.)

I would expect that this should cast an Ice Lance as often as FoF procs, as long as no active haste buffs are up. Instead, what I'm getting is about 4.9 Ice Lances in about 23.8 FoF procs, which seems really off. Removing the haste constraint from the Ice Lance cast increases the casts to around 10.

Output is here: Simulationcraft Results

Anyone able to spot what I'm doing wrong here?

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Old 10/18/09, 11:38 PM   #297
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Due to trademark reasons etc. etc., in the current SVN build we've changed the short-name of the project from simcraft to simc.

Thus, all the default profiles have been renamed from <whatever>.simcraft to <whatever>.simc

simcraft.exe (and simcraftqt.exe etc) have been renamed simc.exe (simcqt.exe etc).

When discussing the project, ideally we'd prefer it it was referred to either as SimulationCraft or simc rather than simcraft to avoid confusion with the non-WoW related product of that name.

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Old 10/19/09, 5:46 PM   #298
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For dual-wielding classes, how does it handle syncing of weapon autoattacks? If both weapons are identical speed, does it offset them and leave them that way, or is there a way to force the sim to sync the autoattacks of both weapons if they are identical speed?

I ask because weapon syncing happens often on mobile fights, and can be very annoying for Warrior rage generation. It would be interesting to be able to model this happening.

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Old 10/19/09, 8:08 PM   #299
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Originally Posted by foopeemoa View Post
For dual-wielding classes, how does it handle syncing of weapon autoattacks? If both weapons are identical speed, does it offset them and leave them that way, or is there a way to force the sim to sync the autoattacks of both weapons if they are identical speed?

I ask because weapon syncing happens often on mobile fights, and can be very annoying for Warrior rage generation. It would be interesting to be able to model this happening.
Actually, the weapons will be sync'd by default...... I need to add an option to go the other way....


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Old 10/19/09, 11:45 PM   #300
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New version available for download:

simc-322-0-win32.zip

It includes a alpha-level GUI front-end: simcqt.exe

I imagine there will be trials and tribulations at first, so please open Issues on our site.

Note that the exec name has changed from simcraft.exe to simc.exe


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