Beace

Like many others, we've done our phase 3 having all dragons bunched up in same spot, moving west whenever a static field comes into the raid. For 25-man we've used 5 designated healers that simply build up combo points and then use the big aoe heal, while the other 20 are focusing on dpsing and stacking the debuff as high as possible. For 10-man we've used 2 healers and 8 dps. I definitely think you can get away with using fewer healers than 5 in 25-man, since the dmg intake is basically the same. Issue might be keeping 25 dragons all in range of each other, could be a bit tricky in space.

 

dukes

Tip on doing maximum DPS for phase 3: you don't need 5 points, or anything like it, for the finisher. We've been running with a 3/finisher or 2/finisher rotation for most people, and seen stacks of 25+. Personally, once I hit about 15 I've been switching to a 5/finisher to make sure the stack doesn't drop if I have to shield.

I've also found that a 1/shield or 2/shield is enough to survive (easily) the focus, and saves a lot of time/energy over trying to go 3/shield or 4/shield. Additionally, he has a 3 second cast on the focus, and the warning comes up a good 2 or so seconds prior to the cast. You should always have enough time to get a stack refresh, then go 1/shield or 2/shield if you're managing your energy properly, and even if you get consecutively focused you should be able to keep your stack alive.

One point someone mentioned earlier that we've had trouble with is the shield not activating even though combo points are available and Malygos is targetted. We've had everyone make sure their shield is activating at the beginning of the DPS phase (1 point -> shield straight off) before going into it properly, just to make sure that it's working. Deselecting and reselecting Malygos seems to fix it if you are having problems - this might be to do with having him as your target pre-dragon phase and it staying through to you having a pet, meaning it isn't picking it up as the pet target properly or something.

Kampa - although Barrage is supposedly random and infinite range (from what I've heard), we had a lot more deaths to it when we had the group split due to some people running to a new shield and some staying in the old one. By sticking together the barrages tend to be more spread out. If you have a prot warrior with Imp Spell Reflect, it's certainly worth them saving a cooldown for the run between shields. Druids using Barkskin, mages using Mana shield, and priests using personal shields also all help to keep the barrage damage under control even through hits out of a shield.

 

Sayessa

If you want to make it really fool-proof:
10 healers, 15 DPS. No one can die due to massive Healing (except to Static Field and Beam at the same time) and the damage is enough so Malygos dies within 2:30 minutes.
For Malygos-10 we use 4 healers and 6 DPS. It's possible with less healers, but you don't need the DPS with a 2/finisher rotation anyway. We had up to 25 stacks in our 25 kill and the last 10 % are incredible fast.
The reason for us to switch tactics to this one (we tried the "every man for himself" tactic before) because we had a lot of shield failures in p3. Nearly every second shield didn't work, so we looked for alternatives and this one really makes p3 a complete joke.

 

Sebudai

We fixed all of our shield issues by clearing our targets and re-targeting Malygos once he starts using his stage three abilities. Keeping him as your target from stage two to stage three seems to bug out the combo point generation from the drake abilities or something. I don't know. I've never actually experienced the problem myself, but that's what my guild mates did.

We just used 5 healers in stage three chain casting 5x Revivify followed by Life Burst. We kept the raid in a big clump and moved clockwise out of any Static Fields that spawn. I can't imagine using 10 healers for stage three. Five seemed like more than enough. I think it's best to keep things simple in this stage so people can focus on not dying to Surge of Power. The drake healing abilities are so overpowered it seems like that's really the only way to lose. We tried having people heal themselves while also dps'ing Malygos, but it didn't work out very well.

 

Volsh

The shield is unusable if you immediately target Malygos and go to dps when you get on your dragon. You will not be able to use it with the combo points from fire attack. To unlock the shield, have every member of your raid immediately target their dragon and throw a heal. Then you can switch target to Malygos and DPS, the shield will now be functional with your combo points from DPSing the dragon.

(after reading the post right above mine more carefully, I guess we are doing same thing as them, just with an extra step, so it may just be clearing your target for a second)

As for phase 2, any method is completely valid, some are just more effective than others, and like someone mentioned above, for the timed achivement we will have to min/max everything in the raid to gain more dps, including probably stacking the drakes.

 

Sunchips

We've just been FFAing phase 3. Usually lose 3-4 people who might get 2-3 focuses in a row. I definitely think some sort of healing assigned setup will be necessary for the speed achievement though.

 

coredumperror

Is there any way to tell which Engulf is Flames stack belongs to you? I know that xperl can distinguish between your debuffs and the debuffs of other players... but I haven't seen it be able to show just my own Engulf. ARe there any other mods that might work?

 

Kissmyaxe

This is exactly how we are doing it.
Some people do heal (2-3 maybe), but since we're spread around Malygos their efficiency is rather limited. Everyone makes sure they use the shield when they get focused and if their HPs drop for one reason or another they are supposed to top themselves up.

We also discovered that deselecting Malygos in the P2-P3 transition and retargeting once you're on the dragon solves all the shield not working issues.

As others mentioned if you want to push P3 DPS high, you want to make sure you use as few combo points as possible for the flame dot. Most DPS would be a 1-1 rotation but this leaves you very vulnerable to using the shield as 6 secs is not enough to use shield and keep the dot up.

The good thing about this fight is that there is basically nothing random it in, so once you got it down, only people failing at simple tasks will wipe you.

 

burghy

I think the problem is that the debuff belongs to the pet/vehicle.

 

Runez

We got our first kill on this guy yesterday after 1 and a half nights of tries. After wiping in p3 for quite a bit, two tries with the '10 healer tactic' and he was dead. Very simple aslong as everyone moves together, and stays alive through p2.

Horrible looting procedure though.

 

Infineon

Hi there,

we are currently starting to go to Malygos25 (haven't killed 10man yet but were trying on p3).

So for the healers i read that a combination of 5 times Revify and 1 time Life Burst (repeat that) is the best option.

What combination should the DDs use (expect that they aren't focused).

Greetings

 

Zalath

Just another point about shields not working: several people in my guild (myself included) noted that the shield worked if you did not have auto selfcast activated - with it active I had to select myself, put a hot up and then use the shield. Without it I could just do my usual stuff with building combos and using finishers on Malygos.

 

vellias

I was curious to this as well, I've been a long time AG unit frames user and don't plan on switching anytime soon.

 

Castnicke

We had the same issue, until someone pointed out that if you drop Malygos as your target before you fall down on the dragons the shield won't bug.

 

◊ Repeek

Have your raid practice controlling the dragons and working out UI issues with the daily quest in Coldarra entitled Aces High!. Worked very well for us.

 

coredumperror

When I found out about this daily, I was immensely pleased with blizzard's foresight. The dragon vehicle for p3 is not easy to get used to if the only way you have of accessing it is to get through p2 of the fight itself. With the Aces High! daily, you can ride the *exact* same dragon, and get used to rotations and such quite easily.

I can also prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the "detarget Malygos before you hop on your dragon" technique of fixing the shield is exactly what you need to do. The way I proved this was by using the daily, targeting the Scalesworn Elites (that you kill or the quest), and then hopping on my dragon. Since I was using Pitbull unit frames, I could see my pet's target frame, which did NOT show the Scalesworn Elite; aka my dragon had no target. Since he had no target, he had no CPs with which to activate his abilities, and therefore I could not shield myself. By deselecting the Elite, and then selecting him again, my Pet's Target frame came up this time, with my dragon targeting the Elite. My shield then worked fine.

On another note, it seems like unit frame mod authors (at least Xperl and Pitbull's authors) aren't aware that vehicles can have combo points now, and there don't display the CPs that your dragon accumulates. I did some finagling with the code for Xperl and Pitbull, and managed to convince them to show my dragon's CPs (using the daily for debugging). If you're using the latest version of Xperl and Pitbull, you can use these files to enable CP display for your dragon:

X-perl: Put this file into your Interface\Addons\XPerl_Target folder. You'll probably want to rename the original "XPerl_Target.lua" instead of replacing it, in case something messes up.

Pitbull: Put this file into your Interface\Addons\PitBull_ComboPoints folder. You'll probably want to rename the original "ComboPoints.lua" instead of replacing it, in case something messes up.

Once you've replaced these files and reloaded your UI (or restarted wow), you should be able to see your combo points on the target. I hope these files are helpful to you guys, and hopefully the authors of these unit frame mods will make their own updates to fix this issue in the near future.

 

Frah

What kind of times are people having left until enrage when reaching P2 and P3?

 

Lazhar

I tried replacing the file and could not get the combo-point module to load as a non-druid / rogue even after removing all the "class==rogue or class==druid" requirements i found in both the "ComboPoints.lua" and "PitBull\PitBull_MetaLayout.lua". After reading through "The Dog Tags 3.0 Thread" I discovered the [Combos:Hide(0)]-Tag, did some tests and came up with this solution.

 

coredumperror

We've been getting kills on Malygos25 with between 3:00-3:30 left on the enrage timer when p3 begins. Unfortunately, our second kill got him RIGHT as he enraged, and all but one of us mysteriously died right after his corpse fell out of the air. Still not sure what caused that, but we were all able to loot just fine after running back.

 

Ayreon

We killed him the second time we got to phase 3 using this tactic (we only used 6 healers though). I can definitely reccomend it, makes the phase 3 incredibly easy.

 

Nitz

So, about people dying while "in the shield" in P2, should I have my raid jump in or run in quietly ? We had a couple of oneshots like that this night that killed the attempts. For myself I didn't notice this behavior at all.

That said, using Tranquility as a druid on a breath in P2 is a wonderful thing to do. 5k+ HPS on one whole group is godly in the 10 men version of the encounter.

 

coredumperror

you should absolutely not jump into the shield. Anyone who's having problems with dying while in the shield should stop for just a moment as their body enters the shield graphic, which forces the server to update their position. They should then move into their usual position in the shield to perform their role. It's also entirely possible to die while you're fully registered as having the shield buff; it only reduces magic damage taken by 50%, and those arcane barrages hit HARD.

 

mek

Speculation is that both jumping and autorunning instead of manually running will both cause your character to appear as "in the shield" later than normal, from the servers perspective.

 

djhbrd

While I haven't tested it, I assume you could set a bar in NeedToKnow to only track stacks that are cast by you. It might screw up if it's counted as an ability used by your pet, but if you have a spare NTK bar you could try it.


And we generally have 3:30-3:45 on the enrage going into phase 3 in the 10man version. Our phase 1 DPS is probably lower than most other guilds though, so 4 minutes would be a safe bet.

 

Imua

3 minutes going into p3 is just about the edge of it.

We also just had about 20 dps and 4 healers (we had someone die in p2). We actually had the dps NOT shield themselves, just have the healers time their finisher for when Malygos fixes his gaze on people. He doesn't one-shot people, so we had the four healers just blow their move then.
We were also all in one clump.