Wrath boss armor testing - Page 2

orgasmatron · 12/09/08, 6:00 PM

WotLK Diminishing Returns - Armour - TankSpot

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Shandara · 02/25/09, 6:08 AM

To resurrect this thread.

While testing various hunter mechanics I had to see how armor values have changed.

For the level 83 'boss' dummy in Ironforge a value of 11900 armor seems to match (tested naked, untalented with a fixed damage ranged weapon, fine light crossbow), providing the armor formulas have not changed.

I did not remember to copy over my warrior so I am unable to test it with a true fixed damage ability.

EDIT:
So it seems likely it is in fact the announced 10% cut: 13083/1,1 = 11893

EDIT#2:
A second round of testing was unable to verify my previous number.

Bonquida · 05/19/09, 2:47 PM

Word on the street is that many of the bosses in Ulduar have unprecedentedly high armor. I would prefer to avoid going by hearsay if at all possible, so I was wondering if anyone has done any testing on this for 3.1. Is the 13083 number still accurate for Ulduar?

Prinsesa · 05/19/09, 7:09 PM

Bosses don't have 13,083 armor anymore.

Instead, they have 10,643 armor. The implications are:

1. This is a straight-up buff for any group that does not have access to the Major and Minor Armor Debuff categories

2. Any group that does have those debuffs will see no change, as the armor reduction is the same given that the armor debuffs are now a percentage value rather than a flat amount.

This post in the Combat Ratings thread clearly shows Sanctum Sentries (Auriaya's adds) in Ulduar having 10,643 armor.

kalbear · 05/19/09, 7:38 PM

I'm not convinced that because all beasts (Maexxna, Auriaya's adds) have the same armor that all bosses everywhere have the same armor. That isn't to say that it isn't true necessarily - but I'm getting a lot of anecdotal data that would suggest some bosses (Mimiron tank) have very high armor, and some have lower.

brutalbovine · 05/20/09, 2:44 AM

Originally Posted by kalbear

I'm not convinced that because all beasts (Maexxna, Auriaya's adds) have the same armor that all bosses everywhere have the same armor. That isn't to say that it isn't true necessarily - but I'm getting a lot of anecdotal data that would suggest some bosses (Mimiron tank) have very high armor, and some have lower.

Anecdotal evidence is just that. Until someone comes forth with some concrete evidence that the armor value for a given boss is different than 10,643, nothing is going to change in regards to how much armor a boss is assumed to have.

Prinsesa · 05/20/09, 5:11 AM

It shouldn't be too difficult to reverse-engineer any given mob's armor value, especially with a static damage attack such as Bloodthirst. Some of the posters here have done this extensively in their exploration of the Armor Penetration stat.

That being said, I believe it was assumed that bosses have a uniform armor value so that the DPS contribution of Armor Penetration would stay relatively predictable, up to and until you reduce armor to 0.

Har · 05/20/09, 9:05 AM

There was a fellow named Dayve who had an addon that would do it- as he did white damage, the addon would establish an upper and lower limit to the range and infer the armor value from that. He hasn't posted since Dec 08 though.

bone123 · 03/08/10, 9:55 PM

Originally Posted by Prinsesa

Instead, they have 10,643 armor.

Is this still true, even in ICC? Can't find anything new about it.