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01/28/09, 6:45 PM
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#451
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King Hippo
Night Elf Druid
Blackhand
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Originally Posted by vl0071
I wouldn't be so sure about this. This deck is currently selling for 200g on my server and there's at least 7 on the AH. Wotlk has been out for a while and I'm certain that many inscriptionists (including myself) will have a couple of these decks lying around (they don't bloody sell at all!).
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I can sell the decks for slightly higher than the cards, but really its just what I get incidently while trying for Nobles cards (which generally all sell for about 1-1.5k on my server). I suspect these cards are going to loose appeal fairly soon unless the Nobles decks turn out to be the DSTs of this expansion...
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01/28/09, 11:24 PM
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#452
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Bald Bull
Blood Elf Paladin
Echo Isles
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Originally Posted by Kolmar
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[Champion's Monarch Topaz] has been in the game since before 3.0.8
As a tank, the important 3.0.8 tanking one is definitely [Stalwart Monarch Topaz] (best red socket gem below the def cap)
EDIT: [Regal Twilight Opal] was apparenty available before 3.0.8; I suppose it was a fluke of my server that no one ever bothered to get the recipe.
Last edited by Prinsesa : 01/29/09 at 1:23 AM.
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01/29/09, 12:05 AM
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#453
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Von Kaiser
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Regal Twilight Opal was in the game pre 3.0.8 as well. It's purchasable by emblems of heroism.
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01/29/09, 12:28 AM
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#454
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Glass Joe
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You mean Dalaran Jewelcrafter's Tokens.
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01/29/09, 6:58 AM
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#457
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Great Tiger
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Originally Posted by trismegistus
My apologies if this has already been covered...
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I suggest reading the first post of this thread.
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01/29/09, 9:22 AM
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#458
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Whisperwind
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Champion's monarch topaz has indeed been selling decently for me, and like a previous poster said, thundering skyflare hasn't had a single nibble. I just picked up resolute monarch topaz this morning for 1500, and expect it to be profitable as well, and will post on progress later in the week. My server is old and overcrowded, but has a soemwhat less destroyed jewlcrafting market than most large servers (because the hardcore JCs have driven the casuals out of the market, IMO), just to put my sales results in context.
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01/29/09, 9:50 AM
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#459
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Operation Asian
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Originally Posted by trismegistus
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This was covered a couple pages back but it's worth mentioning again. I make somehwere in the whereabouts of 500-800g PER DAY using this method.
On my server, the prices are pretty jacked up - favoring this method. Since patch, prices of infinite dust have gone up from 80g to about 110g while prices for the junk gems other than bloodstone have gone down to about 75s each. Eternal earth can be bought out for about 5-6g, so for me the mat cost of each infinite dust is 1g75s and I am able to sell them very consistently at a price of about 105g/stack or 5g25s each. Profit margins on the greater cosmics I get from this are even greater. People snap my auctions up very quickly - often moments after I post them. I am enjoying this gravy train while it lasts.
Tip:
make a macro to disenchant all your jewelery:
/cast disenchant
/use ****
replace **** with crystal chalcedony amulet, sun rock ring, bloodstone band, crystal citrine necklace
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01/29/09, 10:20 AM
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#460
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Natural
[Chaos Deck] are underpriced at the moment. They trade in for [Darkmoon Card: Berserker!] that was recently upgraded in the patch to proc on your attacks in addition to being hit. People will begin to realize that this is basically an always-on 105 resilience / 105 crit trinket for many classes.
Next week will be darkmoon faire and you can expect demand for these (as well as nobles) to increase. I picked up 4 decks for 500-600g which I expect to be worth 2k in a few more days.
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I noticed a run on them- the prices jumped from 200ish to 700ish, and the faire's not even started yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the berserker card is now the best in slot for arena, right? It's basically 100% uptime for 105 resil and crit in a trinket.
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01/29/09, 10:49 AM
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#461
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Von Kaiser
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Yes. The market clearing price for non-Nobles decks may end up being quite low, if all that are produced are actually to be sold. The issue is that there is a tremendous demand for the Nobles deck. With changes to the ink supply, production of (random) cards has ramped up quite a lot in an attempt to meet the demand for Nobles decks that can sell for 10K gold. This has lead to a big increase in the supply of cards of all kinds and a resulting price drop for all decks - less for the Nobles deck than others simply because that trinket is best (or second best) in slot for so many classes.
In short, speculating in the other decks at this point is a dangerous game. There are likely to be a lot more coming on the market; some inscribers will probably treat them as surplus trash to be unloaded while they focus on trying to get the most they can from the Nobles cards they have produced.
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01/29/09, 1:15 PM
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#462
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Piston Honda
Human Paladin
Tarren Mill (EU)
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Forgive my ignorance, but I absolutely never PvP at all: is Spell Penetration a desirable stat? What are your experiences selling Spell Pen gems? I'm deciding wether to buy all of those recipes from the Wintergrasp vendor and putting off the mount for now.
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01/29/09, 1:36 PM
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#463
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by Regan_
Forgive my ignorance, but I absolutely never PvP at all: is Spell Penetration a desirable stat? What are your experiences selling Spell Pen gems? I'm deciding wether to buy all of those recipes from the Wintergrasp vendor and putting off the mount for now.
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I have almost zero luck unloading those cuts on my server but your luck may vary.
On a side note I have to mention as a human you will be disappointed with the Mammoth. It can't fit through a lot of locations that other smaller mounts can meaning you will have to dismount often while just running around through towns. It's extremely annoying.
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01/29/09, 2:12 PM
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#464
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Don Flamenco
Tauren Warrior
Tichondrius
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Originally Posted by Har
I noticed a run on them- the prices jumped from 200ish to 700ish, and the faire's not even started yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the berserker card is now the best in slot for arena, right? It's basically 100% uptime for 105 resil and crit in a trinket.
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After the patch that makes them proc off of your attacks, I think this is correct. 105 resilience 105 crit rating up all the time because of the 50% proc rate.
According to wowhead reports it's also triggering off of heals. It's probably a bug but it should increase the short term value especially with the fair starting.
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01/29/09, 3:13 PM
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#465
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by Prinsesa
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I acquired the recipe as a world drop while playing on my alt; I had assumed (incorrectly it appears) that there were no world drop JC patterns. Apparently this was available on some servers. Did 3.0.8 increase drop rates on uber-rare patterns in addition to adding new ones?
[Titanium Plating] is shaping up to be a decent specialty item for those that have capped their Blacksmithing. As it requires an intersection of both 450 Blacksmithing and Exalted Vanguard|Offensive rep, supply on many servers should be low enough to not overwhelm the shield-bearing tank classes. Next time I can acquire cheap Titanium and Shadows I'll give it a test.
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Originally Posted by MeCh
My spreadsheet says the sim is better, but the sim says the spreadsheet is better.
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01/29/09, 4:03 PM
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#466
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Bula
I have almost zero luck unloading those cuts on my server but your luck may vary.
On a side note I have to mention as a human you will be disappointed with the Mammoth. It can't fit through a lot of locations that other smaller mounts can meaning you will have to dismount often while just running around through towns. It's extremely annoying.
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Yeah I bought the mammoth and I've gone back to using my Brefest Kodo becaues it is just so annoying to have to dismount all the time. It doesnt matter if your a human. I'm a dwarf and I have the same issue. Anyways, I have had some success selling the Stormy Sky Sapphires. I've been buying other patterns before the solid one because they only sell for 15-20g, so the stormy ones are my only way to unload blue gems other than vendoring/selling stacks (besides sparkling which goes for less than uncut gems...), so I have tried it out, and they sell pretty consistently for 15-20g on my server. Considering that the uncut gems are always 6-8g thats a decent profit margin. Also I've sold a few of the various Forest Emerald cuts from the WG vendor as well, but I've stopped making them because I'm almost revered with the Frenzyheart and Jagged Forest Emeralds are always 40g+ on my server.
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01/29/09, 4:16 PM
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#467
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Piston Honda
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Is Alchemy a moneymaker at all, anymore? I still have it for raiding, but thanks to Potion Sickness and Inscription, the herbs are worth more on their own. The trinkets suck, too.
I'm going to take a guess on something and check tonight; whether selling filled injectors is worth it. There are a couple of engineers in my guild I can probably set up a relationship with that lets me buy the empty injectors for cheap and sell the filled ones.
I'm suspecting, however, that the herbs for the pots are worth more on their own. I just don't see how the profession can be profitable right now. I do know that once 3.1 hits, there will be a short run on flasks, so I'm slowly stockpiling Frost Lotus in anticipation (I'm Elixir spec).
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01/29/09, 4:27 PM
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#468
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Bald Bull
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[Flask of Endless Rage] was a good moneymaker as many people apparently don't have the time to search for the mats and buy them and find an alchemist to make them before a raid. They've gone way down with fire leaves becoming more commonplace and fire seeds disappearing.
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01/29/09, 4:29 PM
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#469
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Don Flamenco
Night Elf Druid
Earthen Ring
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Originally Posted by Mugsley
Is Alchemy a moneymaker at all, anymore?
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I don't currently try to make money with it, but I've thought about it. And I'm thinking that if your main goal was to be a moneymaker, transmute spec is probably today's best bet.
The metagem transmutes have no cooldown. So the whole problem with "transmute spec is lame because procs are rare and you can't cram more in" is somewhat mitigated.
And some of the transmutes... yowza. I discovered eternal life to eternal fire the other day. And I'm herb/alch. I'm drowning in eternal lifes.
And, nobody ever has enough titanium. At least not among the circles I move in.
I don't think you'll get rich, but there's some money to be had by doing transmutes.
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01/29/09, 4:38 PM
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#470
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Bald Bull
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Expect the epic Alchemy trinkets to appear in future. Likely tacked onto Sunwell style rep for an upcoming faction (Frostborn in the Ulduar patch perhaps). Eternal Might will ultimately an important reagent, even if it has no use currently. It's reasonable to expect that not only will the alchemy trinkets use it, but other Professions who receive more high-level craft receipes in future content, will make use of Eternal Mights too.
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01/29/09, 4:45 PM
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#471
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Piston Honda
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I'll start looking into Titanium xmutes more, especially with the drop in mats for it.
I've had Alchemy for a while, and Mixology and Elixir spec have been a boon enough to me for raiding, already, that I'm going to keep it. I originally took it to help cut my raiding expenses anyway; plus I love the profession overall (I have no concrete idea why). It was never intended to be a moneymaker; but something on the side would be nice.
It sucks because before Pot Sickness, there was a LOT of potential in the profession. I do have a lot of the xmutes discovered, now, but it's tough to get rid of my Eternal Lifes now that I've found a friend who is willing to make cards for me (we split profits from any Nobles cards).
Edit: I just remembered I discovered Transmute Earth -> Air recently. While I need to start selling some more of what I make, that has a lot more profit potential than Life -> Fire. But YSMV.
Last edited by Mugsley : 01/29/09 at 4:50 PM.
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01/29/09, 5:04 PM
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#472
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Von Kaiser
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And I'm thinking that if your main goal was to be a moneymaker, transmute spec is probably today's best bet.
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I am transmute specced and I would dispute this. The problem is twofold:
- the transmutes that have cooldowns are currently not worth much. The life to fire transmute is one of the best ones; before considering specialization, it is worth maybe 20 to 30 gold (on my server). The estimated 15% chance of getting an extra Eternal Fire is worth about 6 gold per day (15% of the value of an Eternal Fire on my server). The other transmutes (including titanium) provide a smaller value add.
- the meta gem transmutes have no cooldown, but the market is low volume. Depending on your server's prices, the 15% chance at proccing a free meta gem may be worth 10-12 gold (on top of the margin you get for making the gem, which is even a little bigger) - but you have to be able to move a significant number of uncut gems for this to add up to a lot of money. I was rarely able to sell more than two or three metas per day, making this component of the transmute spec worth maybe 30g, tops, for me. If your server has a more active market for uncut metas you may be able to do better.
36g per day isn't nothing, but it's hardly a lot of money. I would expect someone who is specced for elixirs to be able to do somewhat better, just because the total size of the elixir market (including flasks) is larger than the total size of the uncut meta gem market.
It's certainly possible that once we get Eternal Might on the scene things will change, however.
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01/29/09, 5:15 PM
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#473
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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Elixir mastery or Potion mastery are superior to Transmute mastery for money; unless you want to be lazy.
What do I mean by this? I can make hundreds of potions a day, only one transmute every 1 to 3 (or 4? I don't even remember) days. Transmute mastery is good for an alt which you say stock up tons of Eternals and log on once everyday solely to transmute and then never log on the character. (Which isn't a bad idea, I've personally got two Alchemists and had three at one point. It's easy money that requires ~ minute of work assuming time to log in and out).
On the other hand, there's definitely profit to be made with Alchemy. I am not going to get extremely specific, but on my server Runic mana potions sell at a profit without potion mastery. About 1-2g profit. Small profit but you can make a few stacks. There is however a limited demand. For instance I've never sold more than 100 mana pots per a night. And if people undercut you, you're nightly gains will be short.
Now throw in transmute mastery and the profit margins become bigger. It's not to bad to make 100-200 mana potions one day and just list 5-6 stacks everyday. It's fairly easy work and just takes time to list.
Pro tip. Elixirs have higher profit margins, but also take more work to identify said profit margins. And sometimes slower demand.
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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01/29/09, 6:39 PM
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#474
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Glass Joe
Night Elf Druid
Whisperwind
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My alchemist alt is transmute specced and I love it. I sell a lot of metagems, so paying less per meta and gettign the occasional "free" meta by proc. is helping keep metagems profitable for me even in an ever more competative jewelcrafting market. I also learned the earth to air transmute my first transmute, and my alt is a dragonseye farming jewelcrafter, so I log in every day for my free dragon's eye and get an extra 25-50 gold on top of it. One time I turned 1 eternal earth into 2 eternal air and then into 3 metagems, each of which sold for about 80 gold, but mot days that (obviously) doesn't happen.
As an earlier poster said, though, transmute mastery is probably not the best way to go for a primary character.
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01/29/09, 10:27 PM
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#475
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Glass Joe
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Anyone know if there is a way to quickly search for just uncut gem in AH using default UI? When we used the search term "Scarlet Ruby", AH will returns the search result including the cut one.
Or can this only work with some kind of UI addon that perform a second level filtering?
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