We're a fairly backwards server progression wise, with only really 1 top 500 type guild, so I don't think the demand is there at that price.. I've got some on the AH at 50gish and they're not selling, despite some fairly hefty advertising.. It might be true on your server, but the amount of people with that much money and needing to spend it are low.

Most I've ever seen a glyph go for on our server is about 70-100g..

Never know, if I offered em at only 250 they might have sold, but I'd guess not very many

That really illustrates one of the recurring themes here. Know your market. Know your competition, your consumers, your suppliers, etc. When it comes to glyphs, I have witnessed people climbing over each other for the books and they sell off the AH in < 1 minute. The chance of getting a high-demand glyph that will sell in the right quantities at the right price has a balance point with the value of the book itself. They're like expensive lottery tickets. If you could get your hands on one, it might be worth putting out for bids before reading.

What addon would that be? Sounds terrific

Something I wrote. A few thousand lines of LUA code. The problem is that only one person could run it per server. Two people would result in them undercutting each other every (time it takes to do a full glyph scan ~2min + walk to mailbox + collect mail + relist ~5min) .... 15 minutes/full bags ? Total time per day with milling/etc is about 1-2 hours.

Obviously the addon also works for the JC market, but the higher deposit of 1-2g discourages auto-cancelling any auctions you were undercut on.

Edit: No, I don't intend to make the mod freely available.

Indeed. That's probably the most important thing I took from this thread, don't blindly follow tips in here, but check how it looks on your server first.

On my server, some of the things on here remained profitable for months in the past, some never were, and some stopped being so shortly after they appeared..

This morning, there were 2 Books of Glyph Mastery on our AH.. at 5k gold each. On my server, that sort of investment will not be likely to pay off unless you get a glyph that remains unique for several weeks, in my view.

I'd estimate that there have been about 10-15 books found and used at the moment, and people have put those glyphs on the market.

One thing to consider is that the drop rate of these books is being increased, according to Bornakk's post, so their rarity is likely to go down. Thus, the likelyhood of being the only person who knows a particular glyph will go down, depending on the new drop rate. Factor that into your decisions with the books.

I have a question here. With the start of Season 6, how much do people think the demand for "finishing items" for new PVP gear (Enchants, Gems, Leg patches) will go up, and have they stockpiled ready to go?

Given the arena point reset, I think the impact will be more limited than in the previous seasons, but there should still be a fairly profitable spike in prices.

I don't play arena so forgive me if some of my assumptions are wrong.

Arena prices get reset when the season start correct? What's the average price of an item that can be gotten via arena points? From there what would the average time it would take to get said amount of points. At that point on that Tuesday (points are given out on Tuesdays right?) I would start putting up enchanting mats, gems, armor patterns, etc. that would compliment those items.

Anyone doing a lot of buying so far?

Dual spec cost has made quite a lot of people dump stuff just to get gold and I've been making quite a bit just flipping the stuff.

E.g. Dream Shards normally go for 12 to 15g on my server. I've managed to pick up 8 stacks today at 6g/pc and flipped them over for double the money.

Same thing happened in the Valor wrist gear, ore, noble cards etc.

While I did make my share dumping gems and enchanting mats, I think I ended up making more money from flipping, lol.

I'm the only one on my server with penance and I got it opening day. I've been posting it for ~30g on the ah and have sold close to 300 of them. Someone tried to do to me exactly what you said but it's so cheap to make glyphs that I sold him 20 or so and then just made 20 more and put them up on the ah. In the middle of the night the big AH players will buy the 5 or so remaining and relist them for 100g, which is about the maximum any glyph goes for on my server. But each morning I just undercut them for my usual price and they've stopped.

I know this may go contrary to the general trend in this thread but while I'm making a profit I try not to intentionally gouge people. With glyphs, on my server it takes ~4g or less to make a glyph which even selling for 30g I'm making 700% profit. And I have gathered a reputation for providing fair prices which has garnered me a lot of whisper or mail customers who are repeat customers because they trust me to have what they need and not charge them an exorbitant amount. I can't really say if I would have made more or less in the long run by my strategy but I find something distasteful about the "Milk both players for the maximum value they are prepared to part with." attitude and am uncomfortable doing it. Considering one of my long time customers sent me a Book of Glyph Mastery for free for past services I'm rather content to continue doing things as I have.

P.S. Unfortunately the book netted me Glyph of Scatter Shot which doesn't seem to be a big seller.

Yes, I just purchased roughly 6000g worth of herbs and ore no more than an hour ago. Let's hope it pays off, as I have a pretty large stockpile of enchanting mats that I'm sitting on right now (though I suspect they'll start moving pretty quickly tonight).

I also got "lucky" enough to purchase 3 Books of Glyph Mastery for a grand total of 2600, but got screwed because I learned the glyphs for Demonic Circle, Explosive Shot, and Scatter Shot. I was hoping I'd get something that would pay for the books, but no such luck and they're appearing on the AH for double that now. Hope someone out there has better luck than I do.

Saronite ore plummeted over nite. I picked up 2k of it for 18G each. Crafted half, sold the other 1/2 for 25G. Did the same with Earths for 4G, sold them at 8G.

I've got a 10k limit on funds before I stop buying. People are dumping raw materials faster than I can pick them up. It's hard to say NO to these type of deals. I might have to start stockpiling Dust for a bit. I've already started putting gems into the bank as they aren't netting me any more cash either raw or cut. New shifting gem is arleady at 25G after 3 days. I'm sure it will plummet to the 19G range by the weekend.

You got Glyph of Explosive Shot.... If that doesn't pay for your investment, I'd be floored.

Hah, I wrote this mod as well. Good thing we aren't on the same server

Well, I've been quietly "encouraging" some of the price drops on my server at the moment. My idea being that spending 3k a day to keep the prices down so I can buy up 20k/day of undervalued "stuff" with a future earning potential of 10K is a good deal.

An example is Saronite Ore. The going price for the past 2 months has been around 22g to 25g per stack. When 3.1 came, prices dropped to 18-20g. I did some calculations and decided it was worth the risk.

With the lowest buyout at 18g, I put up 20 stacks at 15g each. This was when there were about 8 pages of stock on the AH. Within 30 mins, half of my stacks sold so I was forced to put up 10 more stacks. My losses up to this point were 30 stacks@10g for 300g.

After 10 min, the people that wanted money badly started undercutting me and that was when I hit pay dirt. First 14g90s, then 14g50, then 14g. That was when I started buying. When cheap ore ran out, I repeated the process and basically just kept it going.

By the time I was done I ended up with almost 20k worth of ore for a cheap investment of an initial 300g.

Similar forays into other markets also went well and it if you have a lot of casuals or cash tight toons on your server, this might work for you too.

Currently the "hot" 3.1 glyphs are very expensive when first discovered, then quickly tank as two competitors successively undercut each other into oblivion.

If a given "hot" glyph has not yet been discovered on your faction, but has been discovered two or more times on the opposing faction, this is a money-making opportunity that few seem to be exploiting.

Example: on my server (US-Archimonde) 6 alliance scribes have discovered [Glyph of Living Bomb] which is a highly sought-after PvE mage glyph. It still has not been discovered Horde-side. The price is down to 120g alliance now, due to competition, so I bought 12 of these and have successfully sold 10 Horde-side for 500g.

The nice part of this is that I didn't lay out 10k in Books trying to get the glyph myself: I used a relatively low-risk technique to leverage other scribe's discoveries.

You might look into this on your server while the opportunities are still there. And if you come to US-Archimonde and destroy my little niche, that's fine too.

Bit of a switch in topic here (away from the talk of glyph books), but how does everyone deal with undercutters? I'm getting camped by one on the AH right now and it's cutting off my source of gold completely.

Short version: Basically what happens is, I put up enchanting scrolls on the AH, and get undercut instantly.

Long version: I usually put up my enchanting scrolls once a day. All of a sudden, a guy appeared, and whenever I put up my scrolls, his is always at the top of the list. No problem I think, I just go about my business- if I make at least 10g profit per scroll, I will undercut, if I don't make that amount of profit, I don't bother selling. But then I noticed that whenever I go to check my mail at the end of the day, there is no gold, only my scrolls. And again, he's at the top of the list

Then I added him to my friends list, and lo and behold, it's a level 1 bank char that logs in multiple times a day, very frequently. He also logs in as soon as I log off on my bank, so he's actually CAMPING the AH and other sellers, and undercutting them as soon as they log!

At first I tried undercutting him, but he logs in too frequently, and I would rather raid or do heroics instead of watch the AH 24/7 like a madman. He's also too smart and won't be fooled into selling at a loss. If someone undercuts him too much, he will buy them out and relist. If someone undercuts him enough to make a profit, he will undercut them with the same buyout but lower bid so his scrolls are on top -.-

So basically he is monopolising enchants this way, and he has scrolls up for every enchant imageable, even the ones which never sell on my server, so I cannot find any niches. I don't have any gathering professions. I am a raider, so my professions are Enchanting/Jewelcrafting. JC is very bad for money on my server- cut gems are selling for even less than the uncut versions, and prospecting makes a loss- the only gem that sells for above 10g is Scarlet Ruby, but even those sell for only 40-50g. 3.1 didn't seem to raise prices like previous patches did. Dusts/essences are not selling well either.

With Ulduar out, I really need an income for flasks and repairs. Rerolling professions seems so drastic >.<

It could take a while Bottles, but there's an effective way to drive those people out of the markets.

The key is the bid/buyout. If you're a frequent enchanter, you know the enchant scrolls that have a tendency to end up in your mailbox despite you pricing fairly. The ones that move enough for you to make a profit, but not enough for you to consistently get them.

Drop a scroll in those markets (You should have quite a few targetted) for something like 45/60. Price it so he'll do something like 40/60 to 'undercut' you.

Then just bid on every scroll he offers for a bid where he takes a loss. At that point, one of four things can happen:

1) Someone buys it out. Too bad, you know that happens, that's why the market is attractive.

2) Someone outbids you, but he still takes a loss. You lost a potential customer, but he lost gold.

3) You win the auction. That means you got something worth 50G of mats for 40G. Sell it for enough gold to make back what it cost you, perhaps with some profit (near or under mats price). Remember to flop it to an alt so you're not relisting from the character that bought it out. Best case? He buys out an auction on his own scroll. Just to drive you out of the market.

4) He delists it near the buyout time. This costs him gold, and you nothing.


The key is to give him the impression that the market is something that will burn him. As someone that active, he's clearly trying to corner a market. If you burn him enough that he thinks the market is perhaps not worth it, he might back off. Certainly he'll be less aggressive about dropping the bid price so it's on top. At best, he backs off from the niche enchanting scrolls, and lets you operate at a net gain much more easily.

Alternatively he might play the bid game with you if you drop the bid price low enough that if he undercuts your bid to float to the top he's operating at a significant loss, At this point it's a Pyrric victory, as you're both going to be undercutting eachother and potentially BOTH losing gold.

Remember that trick - just bid on anything where he's losing money if you win with the bid, and undercut anything where he's not losing money with the bid. And only do that in markets where 48 hour periods can naturally pass with no buyouts (50 spellpower to weapon? Probably a bad choice).

Have any JC'ers had trouble since the patch? Maybe I've just had bad RNG on Scarlet Rubies, but the price of gems just keeps dropping. Now cuts seem to be 10g forest emeralds, 17g monarch topazes and these take AGES to flip, 20g+ you're lucky to flip a yellow gem for, 10-12g for blues and 70+ for rubies. Purples sell for maybe 25 fairly consistently, but any batch I pull that's not heavy on rubies I feel like I just lost a bunch of gold.

I feel like I'm losing gold heavily on gem cuts, uncuts are even lower then cuts, buyers don't seem interested in anything even with the discounts. Disenchanting is barely keeping me afloat.

Any reasons why this happened? Too many JC'ers banked ore/gems for the patch or something and realized the demand wasn't there? I can't find ore any cheaper then normal (18-21g), and it used to be profitable at that price but now the market just feels brutal.

Well one thing is that Ulduar is harder so less gear is going around. Also all those who did some Naxx and thought they could do Ulduar (even though they probably need some more Naxx gear) likely tried Ulduar this week further reducing the amount of new gems needed. Combine this with people stocking up for Ulduar and you get the general glut and consequently low prices that we see now I suspect.

Whats really killed me lately has been the prices of yellow/orange gems falling out. They used to be consistent 35-45g gems and moved reasonably quickly. Over the past month or 2, the yellows have slowed down a bit but at least they still sell. I don't know what happened to orange gems, they used to be my 2nd favorite gem to sell, but nobody seems to be touching them anymore. I have so many cuts, like 9sp/8hit, 9sp/8crit, 8agi/8hit, 8agi/8crit and various PVP cuts but they just don't want to sell anymore.

So I made alot a few months back when reds were 90g cut, orange were 30g minimum cut, yellow were 35 consistently, I could deal with the cheap purps/blues/greens. But now that the yellows/oranges have dropped so hard I'm really questioning whether prospecting is worth it for me. I might take a break for a while and keep watching the market, maybe try to find absolute killer bargains on ore, like 14g a stack, but I doubt I'll find any there.

the only reliable market for non scarlet rubies is some of the PVP cuts sold in wintergrasp. I can usually move to ~5 of each of a few cuts on Tuesdays. Though obviously this is stalled for the moment until the next season begins.

Everyone is hitting up Ulduar. No matter how you slice it, the vast majority of guilds are going to get up to maybe Kologarn week 1, and probably stonewall around XT until at least next week.

6 items for 25 people is not quite the same as what you get before. Our guild frequently did an alt run of Naxx with two other guilds on the server just for kicks. Probably 20 gems sold each week for that one run alone, and you better believe they were blues. Probably another dozen for our main run.

Combine that with people farming and dumping Saronite to pay for their consumables and repair bill (even for mediocre guilds, Naxx 25 was frequently a net money gain) and you have... an issue.

The gem market is probably permanently lower.

Scarlet rubies sell for about 80G on my server alone uncut. I leave it that way and they sell. I can't sell cut gems, noone is buying them or raw gems. I've had to vendor some of my cut opals cause it they were only going for 6G each. At that point I took the money and ran. I've spoken with a few of the other AH sellers that I know of and they are getting hit hard too on enchanting/JC.

What I've managed to do is stockpile a bunch of Green/Blue gems and eternal earths that I got for insanely low prices and stop buying ore all together. When the next season hits and honor gear comes trickling out I can post some PVP gems and enchanting mats back up. Until then they are all sitting in the bank gathering "dust". 4 stacks of each color with nothing to make from them.



I've been posting the same 6K in enchanting stuff in random batches at random times but the market is working against me as there is no new gear to enchant so people are just not buying. I'm avoiding dipping down into my profit margins anymore. Slowly working my goods down in price but it's rough.



About the only thing moving consistently is raiding supplies:

Flasks/Pots: Raiding guilds demand you use potions
Food Buffs: Great Feast material flies off the shelf
Herbs: Makes the flasks/pots