Lucinde

Similarly, you can buy the 14 gold cakes (assuming Exalted with Kirin Tor), split them up in 5 pieces and sell the individual pieces for 8-10 gold. Not many people seem to know the slice of cake is bought as a whole cake and even if they do, the funny thing is that your alternative actually saves them gold.

I sold about 40 slices before I logged off yesterday night (about an hour after the even started) for an easy 250 gold profit.

 

dlanod

Just to provide a curious data point for the impact of this thread, I'd bought significant amounts of all the sweets in preparation for the Bad Example achievement and put them up on the AH to coincide with the start of the event. The only three items that I got undercut on and still have a large amount of my stock on the AH are... the Tasty Cupcake, the Chocolate Cake and the Icecream. The previous two posts quite probably explain it.

 

Balthazshar

Someone named AJ used to maintain a blog called WOW CASUALLY on blogspot, which has since come down. He used to host a disenchanting spreadsheet that was pretty good. Anyone have it and can share it with us?

 

Bonemage

Not sure if this would work on a more active server, but on Friday I logged on and saw infinte dust down to a page, with most of it sub 4g each (large swath at 3.5g each). Prices have generally been above other realms and looking at where the prices on common items to flip into enchanting mats are this seemed low, more the result of a constant under cut fight than reflecting market prices. So I cleaned out the AH, reposted most of it at 5.99, sold 1/4th that day and prices came down over the weekend and appear to have stabalized around 5g each which is a little on the high side given where other mats are. Has anyone else had luck with trying to reset high volume markets? I had tried a couple times in the past and came out at best break even with prices up a little, this time prices appear to be staying up and I've already broken even and have ~150 dust I'm still working on selling.

 

Ambika

I do this all the time on JC gems. I see cut blues up for 1/4 to 1/2 the normal value, buy it all out and repost. I make my money back eventually if you play for the long haul. Another person I worked with for awhile did this with dust, bought all the cheap dust out and reposted, made 20% back on the investment over the course of a week. Not bad considering. We both profitted as it drove both our goods to the "bottom" of the list when people sort by price/quantity.

This last Ulduar patch didn't do too much in driving the prices back up in enchanting mats. Arctic Fur and frost lotus are selling at 120-140% over "normal" value according to auctioneer. I regret not stocking up on them pre-patch.

 

Nilaus

Resetting a marked is the single trick I've made the most money off.
I have a several goods I watch and if I like the prices and have a good feeling about expected demand then I buy it all and relist it. The tricks to do this effectively are the following imho:
- Not be afraid to dump several thousand on a single investment and defending it (not good for starters)
- Know the weekly variations so you can buy it when it is low and sell when expensive (Frozen Orbs are low in the weekend while crafting mats are usually higher)
- Select the goods carefully (don't select something easily grindable as that will activate the farmers. Arctic Fur, Abyss Crystals, Frozen Orbs are good examples)
- Know when to cut your loses and run. Don't defend a bad investment by keep buying anyone below you. Chalk it up as learning money and move on.

Real men have infractions on their EJ account!

 

emeril80

I know this has been covered somewhat, but to add a bit more. On my server, JC+Enchanting is still relatively profitable, and very consistent.

Using the usual method (green gem + two crystallized earth) costs me about 4.5g and yields about 5.7g. Every time I press the button, I'm basically making 1.2g. I've got spreadsheets to track what the current prices are, and what the expected ROI is.

I've found that I can generally move around 200 infinite dust / day without saturating the market, and that I can sell singles for about 10% more than I can sell stacks. Owning the market top to bottom (singles, 2, 5, 10, 20) makes everything move quickly, too. There's an obvious tradeoff here as well, between selling more mats at lower profits (undercutting) and selling fewer mats at better margins. Take your pick.

What I haven't seen mentioned here is making a [Shadowmight Ring], and DEing for profit. On my server, [Eternal Earth] goes for about 7g ea, [Eternal Shadow] is 5-6g ea. This disenchants into 2-5 dust, 1-2 greater cosmic essences, or 1 crystal. The expected ROI (again, on my server) varies a little, but is generally about 17.4g, yielding a nice 4.5g profit per DE. It's riskier in the short term, because you could lose more. Once you have a reasonable cushion though, this basically yields more per click, leaving more time to play or make goods.

Also, on my server atm, there's no value in prospecting your own ore--rare gems are just not selling fast enough to justify the extra time, and dark jade and shadow crystals get vendored. Purchasing green gems directly is generally more profitable when they can be purchased for <2.5g per, and when they can't it's time to make money other ways.

 

Nilaus

To emeril80:
I've been doing that as well, but with the added bonus of creating scrolls from the mats. That will increase the work, but also increase the revenue considerably.

At my server Saronite Ore was down to 13g / stack, so at that point it was highly profittable to:
buy Saronite Ore -> Prospect it -> buy Eternal Earth -> Craft green items -> Disenchant said green items -> Make scrolls -> profit

Real men have infractions on their EJ account!

 

Exodus-SG

Pretty sure you get more profit by dumping Dark Jade and Bloodstone into Earthsiege diamond. Unless meta-gem cut on your server is totally haywire.

 

cutfang

Bit of a grey area here. Occasionally I will find someone in trade (mostly at night) selling something like Titanium ore for less than half the usual AH price and in vast amounts of 200 + or so. The seller is inevitably a level 1 alt who speaks poor English.
Naturally I snap them up and resell them at a proper price over the week, but I can't help but wonder what reason they have for doing this, and whether I am playing a part in moving gold around to avoid Blizzard's eye in gold selling. Perhaps anyone here has a theory or has had similar experiences?

In case that was off topic, I'm having great success crafting [Armor Plated Combat Shotgun] with mats off the AH and selling it for 200g over the cost.

 

Tel

At least on my server, currently there's a good profit to be made buying Darkmoon Decks off the AH at normal prices, converting them into trinkets and the relisting them at 1-200g profit. People, I assume mainly casual players, seem much happier buying a trinket than buying a unknown quantity like a quest item(deck).

 

Bonemage

The meta's are more profitable, but its a much lower volume market. I fly around mining for 2-3 hours 1 night a week while "watching" a chick flick with my wife and there is no way I could sell the volume of metas I could create from those mining nights. I probably sell 15-25 metas a week depending on demand and how often I'm on to re-undercut, while selling 500+ dust a week takes minimal effort.

 

Gaaraotd

Hey everyone! Another long time reader here.

Requesting feedback from fellow scribes! Acatully, before 3.1 i stacked up on [Darkmoon Card: Death] cards and at last, when the faire came, i can sell them for 1k/each, so i made a pretty massive profit on that. But what i'm thinking right now is how profitable may be dumping gold on herbs (were about 20g/stack, but now went up to 25-27g) and crafting decks? Nobles still sell for up to 6-7k on my server (thought, some sold them for 4.5k), and i could actually use one myself. So it's a little dilemma - buying herbs and crafting decks, or buying cards/decks directly.

What do you guys think? Also, i've noticed that i can make decent profits off selling vellums. Armor ones sell for 43g per 5, and weapon ones 13g per. Considering their crafting price, that's actually nice. Not sure if they sell that well all the time, tho, but i managed to sell alot yesterday. And as someone noticed earlier, yes, the trinkets themselves sell for higher than the decks! I regret not buying all the undeath decks that were up for ~400g whiile i sold the trinkets for 1k.

 

Vuldunobetra

Anyone have good data on Milling herbs? I've been using a formula found elsewhere. One stack of herbs makes 5 normal inks and 1 rare ink. It seems roughly accurate.

Most of the rare inks are crap. Fiery has a small market. Snowfall is the big value. Due to the pricing on my server, I can buy Adder and Icethorn, convert it to inks, sell the Snowfall Ink, and break even(*). That means the Ink of the Sea is free to me. Since IotS is free, I trade it in for the other inks I need instead of buying and milling the other herb types.


(*) Note that there is a saturation point for Snowfall Ink. It sells better around the Dark Moon Fairy, poorly at other times.

 

Ukerric

I suggested heading to wowhead. It will give you a rough idea of which herbs are low end, and which are "high end".

 

c4tuna

A few nights ago, I bought 200 Eternal Earths at 5g each (They usually run about 8-10g each because myself and a few guildies who are JC/ench have been driving up the price and it's a small server) from a level 1 mage who barely spoke a word of English. Yeah, it's almost certainly for selling gold (because there's no restriction on buying liquid items and selling them on a destination server) but if you don't buy them then someone else will. That's why they buy items that will sell easily like earths, ores, and gems. The problem with this is if you don't buy them to craft and make a profit, then it'll help to saturate the market and drive prices down.

EDIT: How long have Darkmoon cards been BoE? This wasn't in the patch notes and I just noticed it yesterday. It seems like you could make a LOT stacking up on a few str trinkets and selling them in the offseason (I'm sure you could sell a card for 8.5-9k on my server, wheras the decks are down to about 6k)

 

Ranjurm

If you are worried about that grey area you could buy the goods and then open a ticket explaining your suspicions to a gm who could investigate. Then the gold they received from you would go nowhere as blizzard would take it out of the system and it would be as if you bought it from a vendor.

 

Captain Winky

El's Inscription has some good data. Although it's not quite enough to be a definitive sample, it's definitely usable for a rough estimate.

 

Vuldunobetra

Computed from El's numbers:
Stack of Goldclover => 5.1 IotS, 0.4 SFI
Stack of Tiger Lily => 5.2 IotS, 0.3 SFI
Stack of Adder's Tongue => 5.7 IotS, 1.24 SFI
Sample sizes are 6, 10 and 15 stacks respectively.

Due to the small sample size and age of the data (5-6 months ago) I'm not confident in those numbers. Someone on Wowhead posted the results of 52 stacks of Adder's Tongue:
Stack of Adder's Tongue => 5.96 IotS, 0.98 SFI (12% difference from El's numbers)

I'm milling around 125 stacks of Adder/Icethorn/Lichbloom weekly. El's Inscription speculates that the outcome might scale with ilvl of the herb. Does this mean I should pay a premium for Icethorn over Adder? How much of a premium? At my volumes, a 10% difference on mats can be 200-300g per week.

I'll make note of my own milling results from now on, and post the results here.

 

crimsona

To preface: I hadn't considered the possibility that Icethorn and Adder's Tongue might give different drops. I grouped herbs into 'high-yield' and 'low-yield' looking at the Icy Pigment drop percentages.

My results since patch 3.1, looking at total stacks:
High yield (Adder's Tongue, Icethorn, Lichbloom):
Stacks: 322
Snowfall Inks: 354
Ink of the Seas: 1904

Low yield (Tiger Lily, Goldclover, Deadnettle):
Stacks: 203
Snowfall Inks: 101
Ink of the Seas: 1022

That comes out to around 5.9 Seas per stack of High Yields and 5 Seas per stack of lows. On my server Snowfalls are half the price of a stack of high yield herbs, so I typically buyout whichever one minimizes my cost per Snowfall Ink.

c4tuna: Darkmoon decks were changed to BOE in 3.1. However, do note that anybody who grinded Darkmoon to Exalted for the Insane title is likely sitting on 30-40 of those decks. If anything, I would expect the price of the non-Nobles trinkets to drop below the price of a deck.

 

Madlax

Anybody that grinded Darkmoon for rep pre till now has 110 BOP trinkets he vendored afterwards or dissed.
Only a few guys that did the grind patiently since 3.1 now have 110 BoE trinkets to sell off(such as me) - and none of them will be nobles.

The market might drop a little, but not for nobles really.

 

Vuldunobetra

I milled 54 stacks of herbs last night (Adder, Icethorn and Lichbloom). I'm showing Adder < Icethorn < Lichbloom, just like El's prediction many months ago. More data coming later this week.

SF Ink per stack (converting IotS to SN):
1.52 Adder
1.56 Icethorn
1.61 Lichbloom

 

crimsona

I'm working off Wowhead, but Icethorn and Lichbloom share the same ilevel (80), so there shouldn't be any reason why Lichbloom would come out ahead in the long term. All the low level herbs are ilevel 72, so there shouldn't be any differences there either.

 

jojoyojimbi

I just milled 91 stacks of Adders Tongue, I got 102 Snowfall Ink and 491 Ink of the Sea

 

Madlax

I´m afraid I don't have my scratchpad stats saved anymore, but as much as I can remember from milling a few 100ed stacks of adder/lich/thorn(per mill):
3 Azure Pigment
0.55 Icy Pigment

There wasn't much fluctuation beyond that for me.