I'm sure it varies server to server, but I have trouble believing that there's a significant supply of emblem-bought orbs that will dry up post-patch. A scarlet ruby costs an equal number of emblems, sells for about the same uncut, and significantly more cut. Even if you don't have a friend or guildmate to do the cut for free, you're still much better off buying the ruby, tipping a JC for a popular cut, and then selling it.

Point being, I expect supply and demand to both tick upwards slightly post-patch, but I'd be surprised if the relationship between them changes much.

Does anyone know of a mod/addon that could track my own personal AH selling/buying and display it in an easily browsable way? In particular, what would be excellent is if the output could be placed in Excel, but that's not really necessary. Currently I'm using the Beancounter function of Auctioneer, and that's not exactly useful for quickly browsing or comparing two items. I have next to no knowledge about the code necessary, otherwise I'd just do it myself.

"You cannot mail conjured items"

Instead of dragging the item to the slot right click it.

As far as I know, Auctioneer is the way to go with this. You can extract data from Auctioneer quite easily by making an addon yourself, and either creating an editbox to copy/paste or save the data to a SavedVariable and pick it up in the file.

I would recommend exporting the data in an editbox as a comma separated values (CSV) file. This format is easy and understood by Excel. What you would want is probably Item Name, Bought/Sold, Quantity, Amount or something like that.

If you do write such an addon, please post it as it would be quite useful for people.

Frozen orb supply is likely to rise 5-10x due to the sheer number of heroics that are guaranteed to be run. No one will exchange emblems for frozen orbs, but I'm sure that on most realms 100s or more people who currently never run heroics will be running them daily.

Icy Prism is crafted, not conjured

I don't get the interest in Icy Prism for epic quality gems unless Frozen Orbs and the related gems are dirt cheap on your server. It's 1 Frozen Orb, 3 Chalcedony, 3 Dark Jade and 3 Shadow Crystal, which sums up to almost 100g on my server. Even if you assume a 5% chance for an epic gem per Icy Prism it's bound to cost you more than you can profit if you don't run into a lot of rubies.

Economies on servers differ alot.

My server, a high end raiding server with very high population and also millions of Jewelcrafters, had green gems going for 3-8g a piece and frozen orbs for 40-70g. Because of the millions of chinese farmers farming titanium ore to meet the demand, tons of JC materials and also Enchating mats dropped in price.

Saronite ore went down from 24g a stack to 13-16g a stack these days. Blue quality gems all went down by 10-20g for the raw gems and ALL green quality gems are now 15g a stack. Eternal earths and shadows are half the price they were before and enchanting mats all went down to 75% of their original price.

Long story short Icy Prisms will cost only 50-60g to make because of all this. With Titanium ore still going strong at 150-200g a stack, Red gems going at 60-90g a piece and Dragon Eyes going at 100g a piece I think most people would take the gamble. When it would cost me 100g to make one I would pass (Well actually I would still make em because I'm such a gambler )

So there isn't any hidden thing your not seeing most of us just have a different economy then you have.

Not exactly what you mentioned, but I've recently made a full AH scan export solution Rogue dairy » eScan – AH full scan dump addon and Sed parser
I was thinking about making a proper app that would parse files after wow process terminates and importing it into mysql,, but cba yet. Could even possibly make an online tool with fancy diagrams with prices and stat analysis, but data is growing rapidly, hence you need loads of storage space for it.

Would be interested to see an implementation.

I'm fairly new to the whole JC thing and just hit 450 so when 3.2 comes out I can do some dealing. Right now, charging for a cut is just not happening on my realm. The highest priced gems are of course the red ones, hitting 90g for the spellpower/strength ones. The other colors go for 35-40g or so max.


I have stocked up as many stacks of titanium I can (right now sitting around 20 stacks). Titanium has gone from 10g a piece to 30g a piece. My tops on buying is 12g as I don't want to lose money on the deal. I also have been saving up the JC dailies (should be around 8 recipes worth when 3.2 hits).

So, with those prices in mind, what should I be pricing my intial cuts at, or should I just be putting my prices at to start? Obviously market demand will affect it after a few days but I don't want to undervalue/overvalue and lose out. I'm really afraid that I'm not going to get the money back out of it.

Or should I just be putting the stacks back up at 25g each and waiting for another prospector to buy me out?

If I should keep them (which I'm hoping is the case), which cuts should I go for? What do you guys charge someone for cutting something for you?

My apologies for the noobness.

I think he means 25g per ore.

If not, my server transfer cooldown is up tomorrow...

Err I mispoke. Each piece of ore is currently going from 11g to 30g. There are no stacks of 20 up the last I checked as the AH has been sucked dry. I am guessing the amount of chinese titanium farmers we have is just low, or people are buying it up left/right.

So, on stack of 20 ore = 220g-600g (if that existed).

I know this is a huge margin in what is available but I think that some people are just posting their ore to immediately sell, and the 30g guys are posting them in stacks of 1 in hopes of making a huge profit.

Either way, I guess it's a vastly different economy than I'm used to. For reference, rare gem prices on Scilla are about what you described (at least on the Horde), but I can get titanium stacks for 100-115g with a bit of patience. So ore prices of 25g per stack are ludicrously good for those gem prices, and prices of 25g per ore are horribly bad.

Edit: In light of what was just said, I wouldn't touch the ore. My best guess is epic gems going for 150-200% of their rare counterparts initially, meaning there's no way to turn a profit with ore going for that much.

I was concerned about the same thing, especially in light of the honor/token purchases taking up some of the 'buys' away.

I think I'll post up my ore this evening and get it all sold this weekend, make a killing before the market goes to price out upgrading completely, or it normalizes.

Luckily I have a miner as one of my alts so I'll be able to pick up an extra source for my own uses/sales after 3.2 hits. Of course I'll always be watching the AH and picking it up for a cheaper market.

If you think epic gems are only going to going for 150-200% of rare gems prices then you're completely bonkers. They will be going for 150g apiece minimum, and yellow/orange/red will probably be closer to double that.

An exception might be red gems. Recall that alchemists learn the transmutes for all colors except for red by merely visiting the trainer, but to learn the transmute for red gems, they have to do a quest that involves creating five epic gems. The transmutes have a shared 20 hour cooldown. No alchemists will have that transmute until just over four days after the servers come back up after patching, most won't have it for five or six days, and many won't have it for a week or more.

On top of that, unless they change the prices again (certainly possible), the "pure" colors cost more badges than the 2-tone gems, so reds are less available from that standpoint as well. (Why a raw blue gem costs more than a raw orange gem, I'm not completely sure, but I can work with that.)

They're the most in-demand and the least available. I'm not going to be surprised to see a spike in red gem prices initially...

...followed by a crash as lots of alchemists (particularly transmute specialists) come on line. The transmute (again, if nothing changes) just costs one blue-quality red gem and one eternal fire. My miner/engineer earns enough saronite and crystalized fire in a lap or two of Sholazar that the raw materials for the transmute aren't going to be very hard to get. It's not like some of the other transmutes that take eternal air, which (for me anyhow) is more annoying to farm.

There is no economic reason why this would be the case. Titanium might be relatively limited, but stockpiled honor and badges are not (each person can generate as much as they want without regard to other economic actors), and those costs are indeed in line with 150%-200% of current gems. At least for yellow and red; orange and the purples needed to activate melee metas trade at no premium at all in badges. The mats for an alchemist to make a Cardinal Ruby are currently a red (100% of red cost) and an Eternal Fire (maybe 30% of a red cost). He doesn't need to sell at anywhere near 400g to make a profit. He can sell for 150g, probably make 200-300% on his money, and jewelcrafters who need to make up for those three stacks of titanium ore it took to get their Cardinal are not his problem.

Anyone with two working brain cells will buy overpriced reds with their honor (first, since costs are equal) and badge stockpiles.

People need to recall TBC and the availability of epic gems via badges. They were far far higher than any reasonable pre-release conclusion indicated. And they stayed there for a long time. I don't see any of the popular colors going anywhere near as inexpensively as 150% of current rares. Not even as the badge dump begins. And once all new badges are conquest, the source of badges as gem currency will be competing with badges as gear currency (all 3 tiers) and badges as orb currency. If I can get 400g for a runed orb for 18 badges, that affects gem prices. Obviously, if the runed orb falls to 200g, the gems will adjust too. But you need to be aware, not everyone converts badges into currency like we do.

So, does this officially mean the economy for Abyss Crystals goes completely into the crapper?:
World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Do the new instances need attunement??

Specifically in reference to the 5-man regular version of the Trial of the Champion:
Thus one can farm them all day for Abyss Crystals? Just curious what other's thoughts on this are.

--Jed

I think what you are getting at here is that via the alternate (i.e. non-prospecting) sources of gems, players on an individual basis will be able to meet their own demand, thus driving down price. I think you are either overestimating the player's ability to be their own gem supply, or underestimating the sheer magnitude that demand will be for epic gems in aggregate. There is also a good possibility you are doing both. Here is a simple excercise that might illustrate how great demand is likely to be...

I will assume the the honor pricing and badge pricing on epic gems is identical to what rare gems are now, that is 10k honor each or 10 emblems each. Go look at your main and convert the emblems you have now and the honor you have now into gems at this rate. How many do you wind up with? I'll be generous and even let you prep for this (even though I'd wager 99% of people haven't) and say you had maxed out your honor. So you have what, maybe 10 or 15 gems? Go count the number of sockets you see on your gear. Include the set you have for offspec. Include your PvP gear. Not only should this figure dwarf the number of gems you can acquire for yourself, but there will undoubtedly be a HUGE surge of new gear that will need gemming on patch day from people banging out instances and raids nonstop.

Demand is going to WAY out-pace supply, and its not even close. We have seen it in the past, reflected in the skyhigh prices that linger for weeks, and I don't see any real reason to think this won't be the case with 3.2.

On the PTR right now 10K per epic and 20 solid/10 mixed in badges. The DK here is honor capped at 75K and has 100 badges as of today. That's moderately high, but it's not at all unreasonable considering I maxed out desireable Badge gear *and* equipped an alt with shoulders and MH Heirloom weapons some time ago. I'm also not in a guild so I have no access to charitable contributions and I don't have any other 80's to bank honor points for my "main."

Going through a list of gear for my main DPS spec which will consume red gems:

Helmet: This will be the Conquest badge helmet as soon as the patch drops.
--- 1 meta, 1 purple.
--- Current uses zero.
Neck: No gem.
Back: No gem.
Shoulders: One red
Chest: Also will be Conquest Badges; count regemming current chest for now (probably will not do this).
--- Two reds
Wrist: No gem.
Hands: One red
Belt: Have mats stockpiled for the Runed Orb belt, once Runed Orb prices drop.
--- One purple for meta, two reds including Buckle.
Legs: No gems, not going to be gems until I get the Triumph legs or Raz actually drops Double Strikes.
--- Theoretically two if I actually decided to wear Tier legs.
Rings: One Titanium Impact Band once I rebalance gear for the new expertise belt
--- One Red
Boots: No gems.
--- Could be two if I really wanted. Low priority.
Weapon: No gems.

Adding this up, I am planning on 2 purple and 5 reds. If I wanted to go nuts and buy now for soon to be replaced/future gear/use gear that does not make sense for an Armor Pen build, that goes up to 11, but it's fairly nonsensical for me to do so. If you're basing your market idea off everyone being BiS Blacksmiths in progression guilds with 2H, two gem weapons...these people don't buy public gems anyway and probably have much more hardcore badge stockpiles.

Counting off my stockpiles and using my brain (assuming no buying of transmutes):

10 Badges: Purple #1
-- 90 badges left
10 Badges: Purple #2
-- 80 badges left
10K Honor: Red#1
-- 65K Honor Left
10K Honor: Red #2
-- 55K Honor Left
10K Honor: Red #3
-- 45K Honor Left
10K Honor: Red #4
-- 35K Honor Left
10K Honor: Red #5
-- 25K Honor left.

What I have left, 25K Honor and 80 badges are enough for 6 (7 with a little PvP) more solid gems, which would cover even a broad and stupid regemming OR most of my tank set, which isn't going to be all reds in the first place. My demand for epic red gems off the auction house is zero.