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03/31/09, 6:50 AM
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#856
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Von Kaiser
Troll Hunter
Emeriss (EU)
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I am experiencing a large withdrow from the enchanting markets. Compared to last month i now see 10 times less dusts, essences and shards in the AH. I was going to stockpile for Ulduar but i think that too many people are doing the same. There for prices rise, now i am releasing parts of my stockpile to the needy. Even managed to sell Shards for 59 gold where they used to sell for 15 and Large Prismatics for 39 gold when they usually sell for 18. Both their prices stay at their normal levels but it is just like sometimes there isn't anything else in AH than those that i have put quite overpriced. And they do sell.
On a side note, shards tend to increase their price. And people are running less and less heroics. Lowering the shards supply and increasign their value. Their price hasn't rised much. From 10g before the enchanting materials changes up to 12~13 after that and holding at 15g max ATM. With the exception of selling overpriced shards at 59g each the price has moved to 22g at max during some periods.
I am thinking what stock should i be holding for Ulduar and what should i release before that. As
1. I want all the nice people that need their enchants now to be able to make them (even with overpriced maths)
2. I want to have enought stock to relase during Ulduar's first new epiX wave
3. I want to not have too mcuh stock in case the price drops after the first wave.
* Enchantign maths hold low risk due to the 0 cost to auction them and they will eventually sell. however i want to optimize the profits from the 1-2 weeks before 3.1.0 hits
P.S. My curent position on a medium server with somewhat large amount of raiding guilds and high demand of enchanting maths is ~ 1500 dusts and 150 GPE
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03/31/09, 2:06 PM
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#857
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Banned
Blood Elf Priest
Archimonde
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What to hold for 3.1
Predicting the economy is one of the more fun and challenging aspects of WoW. The parallels with the RL economy are quite strong.
Uncertainty
Here are the main factors that will affect demand and pricing after 3.1:
(1) Is your server mostly casual or do you have a lot of raiding guilds?
(2) Will Ulduar stay easy (as it has been on PTR) or be up-tuned significantly before release?
(3) How many other people are stockpiling for 3.1? And what items and quantities?
(4) How will the known and not-yet-known changes to characters, items and professions affect prices after 3.1?
These factors are not all known to you, so you have to guess. And yet they affect what you should hold and how much of it you should hold. For example, if Ulduar is easy, a lot of people will need gear-enhancement mats: enchanting mats, gems, leg threads/kits, belt buckles. If it's hard, demand will be much lower. If frost lotuses drop with much higher frequency after the herbing nerf, stockpiling those was a bad idea. If unrestricted epic gems are suddenly announced for 3.1, your gem stockpiles just became worthless. And so on...
Some things are well-agreed on: Dual-specs will cause a spike in glyph pricing, followed by a very limited market (levelers, people who can't justify the cost of dual-spec'ing and the odd triple-spec'er). But mostly it's all a big unknown.
Meanwhile, we're in a holding pattern: most guilds worth their salt have been farming all current content for months. Many are taking breaks (warcraftrealms.com supports this: the number of players is down sharply in recent weeks). This means the AH inventory is smaller than it was 2 months ago both because people are not playing and because people are reserving inventory for a hopeful payoff after 3.1.
To Sell or not to Sell
That is the question, isn't it. There is no clear-cut answer. If you could foresee the future, things would be a lot easier. Any decision you make carries risk, and it's largely a matter of personality how much risk you're comfortable with. Some prominent bloggers like Gevlon are investing very little in speculation. I, however, have gone quite overboard.
No one asked for my recommendation, but here it is: if you can decent make money, sell stuff now. If prices are up 10% over the norm, and you think they'll be 30% over the norm during patch week, I'd still sell now. Why? Apart from massive inflation, there is no risk in holding gold, but the other items carry risk. Secondly, putting capital back to work will likely net you more profit in the next 3-5 weeks than doing nothing and then selling at the higher price.
I've thought about this a ton, but there are a lot of intelligent people on this forum. Share your thoughts!
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03/31/09, 3:11 PM
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#858
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Glass Joe
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I have also seen a surprising increase in the sales price of enchanting mats in the past week. And this comes shortly after the biggest flood of inventory and deflation since LK shipped. Two weeks ago dust was 3g and there were thousands for sale. The other day the AH was nearly dry and I was unloaded a bunch for over 6g. That was a bigger increase then I expected to see with 3.1 so I sold as much as I thought I could do without saturating the market and driving prices back down. I've seen similar increases with essences and shards. But then supply increased and prices dropped - but not back to the low of 2 weeks ago.
I'm wondering if this is a trend or a fluke from a few people deciding to powerlevel enchanting at the same time. I know a number of people using this time of boredom in the game to change professions.
I also think shards are going to be disproportionately in demand. From my own experience of DE'ing and making a lot of scrolls, shards are the mat I'm most often missing. The primary source of shards is heroics and I don't expect those to be too popular for a while. I'm thinking shards will end up priced closer to whatever it costs to craft the cheapest high level blue. (Which I need to figure out.)
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03/31/09, 3:28 PM
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#859
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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The market is cyclic. What you are seeing is most likely unique to your server (for that time frame). After a severe flooding, people will stop producing the items. Thus supply will fall and prices will go up. As prices go up, people will be re-enticed to start producing again.
This can happen in pretty much everything, I've seen it happen with Saronite and Eternal Belt Buckles in the past month on Dragonblight.
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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03/31/09, 8:24 PM
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#860
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Glass Joe
Human Death Knight
Frostmourne
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Originally Posted by Dylwen
I have also seen a surprising increase in the sales price of enchanting mats in the past week. And this comes shortly after the biggest flood of inventory and deflation since LK shipped. Two weeks ago dust was 3g and there were thousands for sale. The other day the AH was nearly dry and I was unloaded a bunch for over 6g. That was a bigger increase then I expected to see with 3.1 so I sold as much as I thought I could do without saturating the market and driving prices back down. I've seen similar increases with essences and shards. But then supply increased and prices dropped - but not back to the low of 2 weeks ago.
I'm wondering if this is a trend or a fluke from a few people deciding to powerlevel enchanting at the same time. I know a number of people using this time of boredom in the game to change professions.
I also think shards are going to be disproportionately in demand. From my own experience of DE'ing and making a lot of scrolls, shards are the mat I'm most often missing. The primary source of shards is heroics and I don't expect those to be too popular for a while. I'm thinking shards will end up priced closer to whatever it costs to craft the cheapest high level blue. (Which I need to figure out.)
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I am in the market of prospecting, selling gems and DE'ing the green rings for enchanting mats. Reasonably profitable, nothing over the top. I plan to have a lot of enchanting mats ready for 3.1, as I am from a very busy server and I believe regardless, they will sell for what they sell for now if not 20% more (which is obvious speculation).
In regards to the price rise, I think its just a random event on your server. The same happened with me with chaotic skyflare diamonds a few weeks ago. Generally I was moving 1-2 a day at a price of maybe 30 gold as there was always multiple sellers and plenty on the AH. For a week and a half, I was the only seller, selling for 85g each and I sold close to 40.
I'd look to the new blue PVP rings/necks as a possible DE target for blue shards. 3 green gems or 2 blue gems + 2 titanium bars - around the 25g mark total on my server. Shards are now sold for 21g, if there is a modest increase then it could be the best way to get them, if they DE into a large shard.
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03/31/09, 10:10 PM
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#861
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Honorary Toastr
Night Elf Priest
Dragonblight
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Until someone level's a blacksmith/enchanter. Also depends on price of Eternal Earth. I can produce a shard on demand for ~6g on my server. Converting 6 saronite ore into 1 shard. The leg plates are BoP however, so you must be both a blacksmith and an enchanter.
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Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
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04/01/09, 4:00 AM
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#862
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Von Kaiser
Night Elf Warrior
Alonsus (EU)
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Originally Posted by Starfire
Until someone level's a blacksmith/enchanter. Also depends on price of Eternal Earth. I can produce a shard on demand for ~6g on my server. Converting 6 saronite ore into 1 shard. The leg plates are BoP however, so you must be both a blacksmith and an enchanter.
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It also requires you to be an armorsmith. My axesmith/enchanter does not know the pattern.
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04/01/09, 8:56 AM
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#863
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Banned
Dwarf Druid
Altar of Storms
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I have been stocking up on some items hoping for price inflation with the upcoming patch. Here is what I think will be hot post-patch:
- [Titansteel Bar] - I think these will be pretty scarce because of all the new epic patterns that require them.
- [Arctic Fur]/[Eternal Earth] - same as above
- [Frost Lotus] - Flask demand will go up, due to harder content.
- Herbs - With dual spec coming out, I really think Glyph sales will go through the roof again
- [Heavy Junkbox]es - these are the only turn-in that gains you rep with the Ravenholdt faction. Why would anyone care, you ask? Simple, in patch 3.1 the new "The Insane" title is introduced, and it requires exalted rep with Ravenholdt. I'm paying rogues to farm them for 2-3g each, hoping to sell them post patch for 10-15g. The only problem is that they dont stack, but fortunately my banker toon has it's own guild bank

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04/01/09, 9:18 AM
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#864
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Piston Honda
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Originally Posted by SmellFunky
Herbs - With dual spec coming out, I really think Glyph sales will go through the roof again
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Don't forget the changes to herbalism- any spike in demand will be much more easily met by the farmers on your realm who are getting an across the board increase to their production.
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04/01/09, 12:47 PM
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#865
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Piston Honda
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I've been staying afloat after recently becoming a JC. I'm getting rings DEd as I find relatively cheap saronite ore stacks. I'm holding onto blues for 3.1 and picking up JC cuts in the meantime.
So, that being said, has anyone lowered their threshold price for buying saronite ore? I started out buying anything under 20g, but now I won't touch any stacks 18g or over. I try to wait out for ~15-16g stacks.
Also of note, Large Dream Shards have dropped in value on my server; at least in the last day or two. They are now right around the price of GCEs ~15g each. If I had the money, I'd create a small stockpile as I predict a price jump. I can't tell if it's because people are holding back in anticipation of 3.1, or if there has been a rash of people leveling Enchanting that have caused the price dip.
Re: stockpiling - I've picked up some Icy Dragonscales on the cheap, and I'm keeping a lookout for Frost Lotus, Titansteel, and Arctic Fur at value; but with little luck. Frost Lotus won't drop below 10-12g, and I don't think it's going to jump enough to make a major investment. Titansteel, similarly, won't dip below 82g or so for one. I just don't have the capital that I'm willing to risk to get into this more heavily.
Finally, has anyone speculated on the value of Shifting Twilight Opal? My guess is initial prices will have them close to Delicate and Bright Scarlet Rubies (~110g or so) and then drop to other opal prices (~30-50g). For non-JC DPS, this will be the gem of choice for blue slots.
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04/01/09, 2:46 PM
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#866
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Great Tiger
Duilliath
Night Elf Druid
No WoW Account (EU)
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Originally Posted by Mugsley
Finally, has anyone speculated on the value of Shifting Twilight Opal? My guess is initial prices will have them close to Delicate and Bright Scarlet Rubies (~110g or so) and then drop to other opal prices (~30-50g). For non-JC DPS, this will be the gem of choice for blue slots.
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Honest answer? I think you're spot on. The first person to log on will buy the recipe and flood AH with gems. After which the slow pokes will come on and dump the prices even more, at which point people will actually buy them and the early bird finds most of his stack unsold.
It's a mere three badges and I'd wager quite a few JCers have stocked up on those for Ulduar gear anyway.
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Ignorance can be solved with a book. Stupidity requires a shotgun and a shovel.
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04/01/09, 3:12 PM
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Mugsley
So, that being said, has anyone lowered their threshold price for buying saronite ore? I started out buying anything under 20g, but now I won't touch any stacks 18g or over. I try to wait out for ~15-16g stacks.
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Yes, I keep lowering my snatch price to the point where it buys me the maximum I feel like doing in a day. I'm also at 15-16g. Sometimes I'll catch a price war and buy like 100 stacks which will cover my tedium tolerance for a week or two.
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04/01/09, 7:03 PM
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#868
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Mugsley
Finally, has anyone speculated on the value of Shifting Twilight Opal? My guess is initial prices will have them close to Delicate and Bright Scarlet Rubies (~110g or so) and then drop to other opal prices (~30-50g). For non-JC DPS, this will be the gem of choice for blue slots.
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IMO, given that it is vendor bought, it will settle around the same price as other similar purple cuts that are vendor cut, because the recipe will be so common (and lots of people have 3 jc tokens stocked up) that if there is a decent profit margin, it will be quickly eroded until it is only a little higher than an uncut twilight opal similar to other popular vendor cuts.
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04/02/09, 9:03 PM
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#869
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Banned
Dwarf Druid
Altar of Storms
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Originally Posted by Har
Don't forget the changes to herbalism- any spike in demand will be much more easily met by the farmers on your realm who are getting an across the board increase to their production.
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That's true, that's why it is probably wiser to just stockpile on cooldowned items.
Another thing that I forgot to mention and that I think will work pretty well in the few weeks after the patch drops are enchanting mats. Currently [Infinite Dust] and [Greater Cosmic Essence] have hit rock bottom, so it may not be a bad idea to buy cheap now, and hope to sell at a premium later.
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04/03/09, 4:43 AM
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#870
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Talnivarr (EU)
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A quite easy way to earn tons of cash per hour grinding is just doing ramparts or Blood Furnace normal 5 times an hour.
You will need large bags, but if you mail items to your DE (or you are one yourself) + sell greys/blues every second run you just have enough time for 5 runs per hour.
Each run yields more or less 40g depending on what prices the enchanting mats sell for on your server.
This is of course (and unfortunately) only a valid option if you are a plate dps'er, and preferably one with nice aoe and/or a health regen ability.
In ten hours (if you could bear the grind...) you would be closer to 2k gold  .
PS!
Additional tip!
You can powerlevel another character through this. Tell them that they pay you 20g per run and that they have to loot everything and give to you afterwards. this will save time and earn you more money.
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