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Old 04/03/09, 8:29 AM   #871
Mugsley
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1) Bone Fragments and Crypt Fiend Parts - along with Savage Fronds - are turn-ins at ~55 for Argent Dawn. If you check the quests, you can probably make decent gold selling them in the right stack sizes. They are also useful for anyone trying to get the AC/AD Achievement/Title

2) MMO Champ announced a change to Endless Rage flasks yesterday. PTR recipe uses 3x Goldclover instead of 3x Fire Leaf. Fire Leaf will only be useful for making Lesser Flasks of Resistance, which, depending on the raid, are only marginally useful for progression.

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Old 04/03/09, 8:56 AM   #872
Schonning
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2) MMO Champ announced a change to Endless Rage flasks yesterday. PTR recipe uses 3x Goldclover instead of 3x Fire Leaf. Fire Leaf will only be useful for making Lesser Flasks of Resistance, which, depending on the raid, are only marginally useful for progression.
Consequence:

1) Morons will go crazy and sell their fire leaves CHEAP "ZZOMG, they won't be worth anything...!!"

2) I will buy them all and make flasks BEFORE the patch launches, then I'll sell flasks/mixtures

3) Profit

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Old 04/03/09, 9:27 AM   #873
Har
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Originally Posted by Schonning View Post
Consequence:

1) Morons will go crazy and sell their fire leaves CHEAP "ZZOMG, they won't be worth anything...!!"

2) I will buy them all and make flasks BEFORE the patch launches, then I'll sell flasks/mixtures

3) Profit
How will you find time to do that with your busy schedule of grinding old content instances for 200g an hour?


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Old 04/03/09, 9:32 AM   #874
Schonning
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I don't do that anymore

Like most others who work alongside the game and try to have a social life as well I end up using the AH as my "grinding spot" 15 min x 2 a day is usually enough to earn 1-3k gold a week. So why spend time on grinding

There was one guy here who ASKED for something to grind though, so I provided him with a much better alternative thatn what he was doing already.

edit:

Buying fire leaves - time spent = 15 seconds every day next week
Making flasks = click button /afk, back in 5 min
Even with grinding my ass of I am pretty sure I would have made time for it

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Old 04/03/09, 1:19 PM   #875
ozweepay
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Some responses to what has been posted above.

I ran Ramps/BF normal on my priest and could clear it in about 15mins, but the cash was not worth the time. Better to go as a Warrior with no down-time (I had to drink a lot). 200g/hr is pretty abysmal these days. If I feel like instance grinding, I go to BRD and farm [Enchant Weapon - Fiery Weapon]. With a rogue/druid you run 5 times to Loregrain in 10mins, then log out for an hour and repeat. You get one formula per 10mins and they sell for 50g on my server; add the value of the other drops and you're at 400g/hr. This isn't stellar, but I sometimes find it relaxing and gank-free.

Regarding Fire Leafs: I doubt many people will even notice the MMO post. Those who do will simply make flasks rather than sell them cheaply. When the price falls after the patch (as alchs realize the leaves are now worthless), scribes will pick them up for milling (assuming they can still be milled).

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Old 04/03/09, 3:26 PM   #876
Mugsley
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Of note, Fire Leaf can still be used for Lesser Flasks of Resistance. They will be marginally useful for progression raiding, but we all know the "srs bzns" guilds will be rolling their higher stat flasks. Still, people may see a slight value increase on those flasks depending on where they are.

As far as I'm concerned, though, the herb will be useless to Alchemy on patch day.

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Old 04/04/09, 9:40 AM   #877
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Originally Posted by Dylwen View Post
Yes, I keep lowering my snatch price to the point where it buys me the maximum I feel like doing in a day. I'm also at 15-16g. Sometimes I'll catch a price war and buy like 100 stacks which will cover my tedium tolerance for a week or two.
Unfortunately for me the ore never drops below 20G/stack. Avg is 22g/stack and eternal earth has been soaring as high as 8g/each.

I still buy it out when it drops to 20/21 and 6g/earth. this forces me to put the enchanting dust at a higher price point but it all works out in the end as I still sell tons and tons of gems, dust, shards to more than make up for the extra cost. I'm spending about 1000G to make 1500G.

Making those Dark Jade and shadow crystals into gems and selling them helps alleviate the cost a bit. They don't sell for anything and sometimes i get a good streak of perfect gems that sell for 1g each. They don't sell on the AH so there's no real point.


I've upped my stack of blue gems to 2 20stacks. This will keep me sitting pretty when ulduar comes and people want lots of gems cut.

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Old 04/05/09, 2:26 AM   #878
ozweepay
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Originally Posted by Ambika View Post
Making those Dark Jade and shadow crystals into gems and selling them helps alleviate the cost a bit. They don't sell for anything and sometimes i get a good streak of perfect gems that sell for 1g each. They don't sell on the AH so there's no real point.
Ever compute your gold/hr cutting and vendoring these? I suppose you could AFK a lot of this time, provided sufficient bag space, but sometimes I don't have the patience and just vendor the raw gems.

Yesterday someone was selling [Shadow Crystal]x210 for 80g. So cutting and vendoring is a minimum of 105g, a 25g profit. More when you consider perfect cuts. So I bought the things and it took me half an hour to make 35g. Not a good earnings/hr rate.

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Old 04/05/09, 6:19 AM   #879
Mixe
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Nobles Deck(s)

Is anyone else noticing how [Nobles Deck]s are getting considerably cheaper? On my Realm I've seen a couple go for as little as 4k within the past few days. It seems to me that many players are assuming that there will be better trinkets in Ulduar for them to get. However, I don't yet believe this to be the case.

I haven't checked into the loot lists too thoroughly as of yet, but soon enough we will know whether there is money to be made on these cheap Nobles decks, particularly if they are still going to be the BIS Trinkets for some specs and classes. Thoughts?

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Old 04/05/09, 10:10 AM   #880
Daenerys
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Originally Posted by Mixe View Post
Is anyone else noticing how [Nobles Deck]s are getting considerably cheaper? On my Realm I've seen a couple go for as little as 4k within the past few days. It seems to me that many players are assuming that there will be better trinkets in Ulduar for them to get. However, I don't yet believe this to be the case.

I haven't checked into the loot lists too thoroughly as of yet, but soon enough we will know whether there is money to be made on these cheap Nobles decks, particularly if they are still going to be the BIS Trinkets for some specs and classes. Thoughts?
I think there will certainly be a few people who don't want to spend as much on these decks as people have in the past with new trinkets coming out soon with Ulduar. The price decline could simply be due to just about everyone who is wealthy enough and cares enough about min/maxing already has the trinket. Let's call those people the "early adopters." Now, the more price-sensitive customers are the only ones left who still have some desire for the trinket, but they're just not willing to pay what the early adopters paid.

As for better trinkets in Ulduar, I haven't looked too closely, but I doubt there will be a replacement for SV Hunters or for melee classes who get >2ap per point of Str. That said, trinkets from Ulduar that are closer in terms of overall DPS to the Greatness decks will certainly shrink the market for a good portion of the player base. For many, it won't be hard to rationalize not spending 8 or even 4k on a trinket when they can get something that's pretty close for "free" in Ulduar.

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Old 04/06/09, 12:33 AM   #881
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Ive seen the same thing for nobles decks on my server. People selling them seem much more willing to haggle over price. I got mine for 7.5k G at a time when 8.5K was the min. Now I've seem alot more people selling them lower. For sure this is going to happen, but if the herbs don't come down in price more then what will happen is people will not make as many decks and they will hold value since many of the same people who got decks early will also want to gear up alts.

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Old 04/06/09, 4:31 AM   #882
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Originally Posted by kraftykiller View Post
Ive seen the same thing for nobles decks on my server. People selling them seem much more willing to haggle over price. I got mine for 7.5k G at a time when 8.5K was the min. Now I've seem alot more people selling them lower. For sure this is going to happen, but if the herbs don't come down in price more then what will happen is people will not make as many decks and they will hold value since many of the same people who got decks early will also want to gear up alts.
They will hit a floor in price, herbs will stay static for a long time, the downward grade of cost for instance on herb price through the entire burning crusade for my regular servers was only ~20 gold (ignoring just pre wotlk, and just post BC release).

With Nobles decks being very very profitable a lot of people leveled scribes or started to mass make them. At first it was one thing to make a deck for your self, but for every 1 deck some one made they ended up with 1/3-1/2 of a second deck from my experience. So it became a market with a large profit margin, and as time went on the profit margin shrunk with the price of materials staying at a flat rate. Add in the fact that newer better gear is coming out, price will drop farther.

On top of that, the odd things with the DMF Decks is they can only be created into full fruition once a month. But I suspect that all those sly crafters who have saved up their decks are in for a rude awakening. If you look at the market now in it's current, flooded state; than assume for every person normally selling a card there will be another 1 person selling a card they have been holding or a deck even, then the price of decks will first Shoot up on def ears then rapidly shoot down do to flooding. I'd suspect it will truly be the buyers market and the price of matts will be more than the decks are worth.

It's just something to be cautious of in the next few weeks.

The character linked in your profile appears to be below level 10. This may account for your poor Patchwerk DPS.

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Old 04/06/09, 5:19 AM   #883
Tel
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I'd be very surprised if the price of decks drop off as much here as people are suggesting.

On my server at least, the price of decks has actually slightly increased in the past week due to higher demand from people looking to get into 'good raiding guilds' in preparation of Ulduar being more challenging than Naxx. That being said EU-Kazzak isn't exactly the norm in terms of raiding population

I know I personally have sold 2 decks for 8.5k each in the past week, and one for 7.5k (typo'd it while putting on AH. Lesson learnt. ). There appear to be a lack of Ace's and Seven's of Nobles on our server in particular, so while there are a lot of cards out there, the supply of complete decks is determined by the availability of those two cards. This has led to a drop in the price of all the other cards on the AH, as there are stacks of them there, but the ace/seven are going for 2k+ each.

I think you'll find this market varies dependant on server population and raiding community.

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Old 04/06/09, 5:43 AM   #884
MatsT
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We have quite a few people in our guild who have so far gotten away with not having the nobles deck with the promise of "I will get it before Ulduar". Not sure exactly how big this market is, how many decks are put together each month, but i suspect that there are quite a few people who have been hoping the price would go down before they get theirs and can no longer wait. Also, we're nearing the limit of when the richer people will start buying it for their alts and offspeccs.

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Old 04/06/09, 6:19 AM   #885
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I'm not sure flask prices will vary much. There will be increased demand for them but this will be offset by increased drop rates from herb nodes. I'd assume this affects Frost Lotuses too. Server dependent of course.

Fire Leaves can be milled, they yield the same pigments as the low end herbs.

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