Just to offer my thoughts on the Nobles deck as well;

1) Like has been said before; Classes like surv hunter, retri pala are not likely to find a better trinket lying around anytime soon

2) I agree 100% that the market is approaching a saturated state, more and more people have farmed and thus got "free mats" (I hate it when they use "free" here, time = money imo...) and are now driving prices downwards.

3) I think, however, that 2) is just part of a cyclic pattern and that the prices of this deck will continue to go up and down between 5 and 10-12k all the way to Icecrown. Why do I think this?

a) Alts, the Nobles deck is not a random drop that has to be farmed it can be bought, quite easily. Most high level raiders with alts they want to gear/new mains have gold in piles to spend. Easy option? Get the emblems trinket + nobles deck. 5 instances and 7,5k gold, done..

b) It is just way over-itimized for some speccs/classes, thus it will always be the "one" trinket for them until everyone of that

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To steer the topic in another direction;

Patch is incoming in about 1-2 weeks (my bet is on 15th in Europe, maybe 22nd). With the patch we will soon start getting boe craftables from ulduar for LW, BS, tailoring. Have anyone done any research on what craftable gearitems might be most desired?

I've been slowly accumulating arctic fur, titansteel and eternals for a month now. Expecting to dish out tons of craftable epics + leg armors

Do note that last time I checked, the craftable epics will require quite a few (6 or so per item) drops from Ulduar (25 - perhaps 10 also drops it?) OR the use of Conquest emblems (15 / orb). This insures that there will not be a flood of them on the AH - but it does mean that the materials used to create them will become more in demand. As Ulduar gets farmed more, more of the base materials will be wanted.

Personally, I have stocked up a bit of enchanting mats and titansteel bars for 3.1.

idd so, thus I expect to have to keep stockpiling for a couple of weeks (3-4) after the patch to start reaping the benefits of it. Enchanting mats seems like a dangerous game, I have the feeling EVERYONE has stocked up on them. I am trying to unload what I have at a nice profit now (mainly dust/essence/shard) and plan to buy vast amounts when the AH gets flooded post patch.

Anyone here set up a flask coalition on their server? Is it just to easy to farm mats to be able to control the market "completely"? (i.e buying all ice lotus+crafted flasks and relisting for say 150% of bought value (something like 25g ice lotus and 80g flasks (new flasks 40g)))

I've managed to control it for a day or two, over weekends where i've been busy working on projects etc so just had my toon sat in front of the AH. But to try and do it full time is almost impossible. There's just too much base materials available.

For the last couple months i didn't want to mention anything, for fear of popularizing the tactic too much, but since i've shut down my account for the foreseeable future, i'll say it now. The Legplates of Conquest were the single best moneymaker i've seen in the 5.5 years of WoW. it was posted way back in this thread, shortly after Wrath released, and never really acknowledged. I gave it a shot though, and good lord, it was impressive. I was AVERAGING 1000g per day in profits from these things. it was never a problem to buy up dozens of stacks of saronite bars (<40) or ore (<20g) and stacks upon stacks of eternal earth (7g). Add in a few regular farmers of questionable origin that will COD pages worth of it to me for even cheaper, and it was just a gold making machine.

I'm sure i'm not the only one who spends the first part of the evening going constantly AFK with family matters, cleaning, etc. Spend a few minutes at the AH, bulkmail everything to the armorsmith, and off he goes. 10 minutes of afk crafting, come back and vendor the results for a few hundred gold, whenever you sit back down again, then do it again. mind numbing for sure, if you were actually wanting to play the game during that time, but perfect for a constant money supply when you can't do dailies because the child wants to watch "Elmo moozie" for the 100th time. It actually makes me think blizzard did this intentionally for people like me! Kind of sad i suppose, that buying mats from the AH and vendoring the results is probably the most fun i've had with the game in the last year.

My question is why this wasn't more acknowledged in this thread? were others doing the same thing and just keeping it quiet? Perhaps the material prices are too much higher on other servers? I mean, i've tried at least half the things mentioned in this thread in some capacity, but nothing came close to this level of pure, effortless profit. I would make 1000g bets that the new guy wouldn't die to the frogger boss on his first night in naxx, losing of course, and not even giving a shit because i'd just make it back the next night.

That would have only been profitable for the last month or so on my server - and even now it's only about 2g each. That's a lot of activity for 1000g. It takes a lot of wall clock time which wouldn't make it a good choice for me. Generally I'm on the computer actively engaged or I'm doing something else entirely where I don't want to check up on a process every 10 minutes. Maybe if I have children...

One note: the Undeath card is getting a major buff in 3.1. The Proc's damage is being increased by a factor of 10. However, I think this will only bring the trinket in line with the other non-Nobles Wrath trinkets, and not push it ahead of anything.


I may have to talk to my pocket enchanter that I've been using for my JC work. My Saronite purchasing has dropped off because prices have recovered a little, and I'm paying him a fair amount for the DE work. Bean Counter is telling me that the Dust+Essences+Shards I've sold have only just barely allowed me to break even. While I still have my blue quality gems to cut and sell at 3.1, I'm basically DEing greens at a loss of the cost of crystallized earth. I'm heavily considering getting serious with an alt to get one 60-70 and set it up as my own Enchanter/DE.

I originally did this as an experiement anyway, but the money outlet I'm dealing with is really hurting me.

I've also done some more research in to metagem prices, and they actually seem profitable, so this could help my overall margin (Cut skyflares sell for ~80-100g for a 20g investment in mats). I'm still dismissing the cost of acquiring the token cuts as the price of the profession. I personally would rather have a small variety of cuts per gem than try to sell Dragon's Eyes.

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I'm still predicting a drop in Dragon's Eye prices in 3.1, barring any new crafting recipes I haven't seen yet. Since all released recipes are using Runed Orbs, the Eyes are not going to be as useful to non-JCs to get the good crafted gear.

Frozen Orb prediction: Expect them to drop through the floor in value and possibly recover a little. I have yet to see any new EoV gear in 3.1 released info, which means people who are stockpiling their badges for some easy gear upgrades on patch day could be very disappointed. This of course means they will be dumping their badges into blue gems and Frozen Orbs and flooding the AH to try to get something for them.

Should just be a server thing.

I have 1 up on AH and 1 on the bank alt at most times and there are at least another 6 people with the recipe. In fact competition can be pretty bad and I end up having 2 in the bag for ages because of undercutting.

@Legplates of Conquest

I mentioned them on page 35. And the profit margins on them for vendoring them tends to be unproductive use of the ore. Unless you're running some kind of bot while you're sleeping or some sort. There is a great deal of time spent smelting if you're buying the ore, crafting, vendoring and running to the mail box.

Given 30 ore and 10 crystallized earth, rather than making 5 Legplates of Conquest for ~2g per, you could prospect the ore and make at least 5 rings to disenchant + get extra green gems, and any blue gems would rocket the value.

On Earthen Ring (EU) horde side, Saronite Ore is never ever below 20g. Average price I'd say is around 27g with Eternal Earth rarely below 10g. I still make money buying and doing schemes on that though. Currently I'm breaking even, or a slight profit, stocking up on gems for Ulduar. I think the Saronite Ore market will be pretty non-existant as every JCers without a big stack wants to get gems to sell.

I'm too lazy to cut the useless gems though, proof from my alt's guildbank:

http://jonas.fallman.org/WoW/temp/ShadowCrystal.png
http://jonas.fallman.org/WoW/temp/DarkJade.png

You know that you have a pretty remarkable pile of gold lying around in that guild bank? Averaging 0.6g per gem thats about 2.3k gold...