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Old 08/04/09, 9:49 AM   #1501
Flouyd
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Originally Posted by Malthes View Post
In the patch notes, it says that all mining nodes in northrend now require level 60 (IIRC, can't find it on the official site).

That seems to be at least a superficial fix to the mining hack.
You already need to be level 55 to learn grand master mining

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Old 08/04/09, 11:00 AM   #1502
Yeoldelock
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Originally Posted by Malthes View Post
In the patch notes, it says that all mining nodes in northrend now require level 60 (IIRC, can't find it on the official site).

That seems to be at least a superficial fix to the mining hack.
The downside is of course Death Knights: Free 100% speed land mount, increased mounted movement speed and a nice set of blue quality items. I have seen more than a few guilds on my server that consist solely of two DKs and their AH activity screams "gold farmer".

I'm not sure what Blizzard can do to address this without hurting normal players, but I would really like to see them do something.

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Old 08/04/09, 11:17 AM   #1503
Malthes
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Can someone confirm that the change is level 60 (and not 65, which would make more sense to me)? I only glanced at the patch notes while downloading this morning, so don't remember clearly.

Anyway, the reason why this is at least a superficial fix to the mining hack is it buys blizzard time. It takes a non-consequential amount of time to level from 55-60 (even for a death knight). That time sink should discourage some from hacking altogether (razor thin margins means any time wasted is unprofitable), and will buy GMs time to notice and act on offending behavior.

I'm not saying it'll curtail the behavior entirely, but it should do something. And it at least shows that Blizz is working on a fix.

Last edited by Malthes : 08/04/09 at 11:18 AM. Reason: punctuation

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Old 08/04/09, 12:23 PM   #1504
luvinjefe
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Shandris
Titanium Ore is going crazy on my realm. I checked last night and there were only a few stacks up for 9g a piece (180g per stack). I snatched them up and then put up my 35 stacks at 15g/piece. When I checked by a couple of hours later, all but 5 had sold, and I was still the only person selling.

Timing is everything I guess.

Anyone have a plan on what you'll be charging for Epic cuts? Standard tip seems to be 5g on my server, but maybe I should ask for more on these specific ones?

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Old 08/04/09, 1:17 PM   #1505
Ninaev
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Originally Posted by luvinjefe View Post
Titanium Ore is going crazy on my realm. I checked last night and there were only a few stacks up for 9g a piece (180g per stack). I snatched them up and then put up my 35 stacks at 15g/piece. When I checked by a couple of hours later, all but 5 had sold, and I was still the only person selling.

Timing is everything I guess.

Anyone have a plan on what you'll be charging for Epic cuts? Standard tip seems to be 5g on my server, but maybe I should ask for more on these specific ones?
It's going crazy on every realm I guess. But yeah, timing is everything and with patch coming tomorrow we might see all kind of AH behavior. I expect that lot of people will unload their stocks they planned to sell as soon as realms go live. It might influence price of titanium for a short time, but as some posters already said it won't last long, price will go up when initial rush passes.
As for price of epic cuts, it depends. You might see limited people having certain cuts in first few days so you might ask for more. Again, it's about timing.

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Old 08/04/09, 1:56 PM   #1506
nogame
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It would now be a good time to post those awkward blue gems people are going to need for socket bonuses because the JC gems are no longer prismatic.

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Old 08/04/09, 2:10 PM   #1507
Ninaev
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Originally Posted by nogame View Post
It would now be a good time to post those awkward blue gems people are going to need for socket bonuses because the JC gems are no longer prismatic.
You forget that people who need those gems because JC gems are no longer prismatic are Jewelcrafters too. They will cut gems they need, it won't affect the market in any way.

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Old 08/04/09, 3:03 PM   #1508
koaschten
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Especially because you can use [Nightmare Tear] to fill your meta needs on blue sockets.

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Old 08/04/09, 4:31 PM   #1509
Mideci
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I presume your intended link was to the +10 stats, unique-equipped gem which is still a prismatic (and in fact the +10 version is new).

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Old 08/04/09, 4:41 PM   #1510
nogame
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You forget that people who need those gems because JC gems are no longer prismatic are Jewelcrafters too. They will cut gems they need, it won't affect the market in any way.
Touche

I do however know a significant portion of JC raiders who are lazy enough not to get the cuts for the purpose of accumulating wealth. How many JC's do you know picked up JC for raiding and never really followed through with dailies or if they did, sold the Dragon's Eyes and did not pickup patterns?

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Old 08/04/09, 5:23 PM   #1511
Doomie22
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Really curious now; how much are the epic gems going for on the US servers?

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Old 08/04/09, 5:25 PM   #1512
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Currently they aren't selling at all.

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Old 08/04/09, 5:30 PM   #1513
Malthes
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We'll let you know as soon as servers are up.

I bet you'll see prices anywhere from 500g-1k each be successful. Personally, it's going to depend on how many epic gems I get from prospecting my 40+ stacks. If I get unlucky, I will set my prices higher in order to make a profit.

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Old 08/04/09, 11:10 PM   #1514
Limbo
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Aman'Thul
I'm just kicking backing and watching the show at the moment

Changed my mind about picking up cuts when I saw like 20 JC at the Dalaran trainer and decided to wait it out for today at least to let the dust settle.

Most of my guildies have enough honor/badges for gems that they need and they will probably be sourcing in house for the cuts. I assume this is going to be common practice for most raiding guilds and since those tend to the the early buyers, sales are going pretty slow at the moment.

What I am doing is sitting at AH, refreshing the pages and grabbing cheap uncut gems. I've managed to pick up 20 Cardinal Rubies so far for 160g-ish when Titanium Ore is still at 350g a stack. Its too good a bargain to pass up.

At this rate, I won't be surprised if my time is better invested this way instead of blindly getting cuts in the hopes of selling a few gems before I get undercut.

Edited to add: Cut Epics are now on AH for anywhere from 450g to 700g in case anyone is interested.

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Old 08/04/09, 11:48 PM   #1515
Ambika
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Day 0:

Epic gems are selling for around 300G uncut on my server. Blue gems are selling double over normal price (monarchs at 40G, sky saphires for 30G, etc). I dumped titanium powder for 50G/each and have sold a few.

The servers are unstable and not likely to come back on for some time.

The current trends over the weekend are enchanting mats for all these new loot pinata instances. People are coming out with gobs of gear in the 10mans as they are a cake walk. Abyss crystals are plummeting in price as the new 5 man drops them like rain. Expect that to take a hit.

Overall i made 3k in about an hr emptying out my bank. I expect that to increase by tomorrow selling all my old blue gems to make way for new epic gems.

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Old 08/04/09, 11:51 PM   #1516
Starfire
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Prices are holding up at 300g on Dragonblight for uncut. 400-600g for cut. Couple guilds have already downed the first boss.

Forecast: Dump your abyss crystals before people start farming the living daylights out of the 5 man. The first bosses and the 5 man drop weapons.

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Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.

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Old 08/05/09, 12:07 AM   #1517
Talgog
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There's no real market in epic gems at the moment. Stuff is listed, but it's widely mispriced - as in 500g Eye of Zul, 210g *cut* Bold Cardinal Ruby - and not moving whatsoever. Titanium also isn't moving based on the widely varying prices for a relatively small number of listings and undercutting in trade chat. Hard to say how much of this is no market and how much of it is the instability in the servers making it very irritating to even list material on the AH.

I agree that Abyss Crystals will become absolutely worthless. The 5-man non-heroic takes fifteen minutes to do. It's only not being spammed right now because it takes longer to zone everyone into the instance than to kill everything.

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Old 08/05/09, 2:34 AM   #1518
Brekk
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I dumped a ton of banked up materials since servers came up. Eternal Air, Eternal Shadow, Blue Quality gems (Twilight Opals especially, because of meta requirements) sold a few stacks of titanium ore for 300-350g, tons of GCEs for 20g. All in all I pulled in roughly 4500g.

Over the next week or two I expect the prices of epic gems to rise back up some. They've gotten as low as 250g.

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Old 08/05/09, 2:40 AM   #1519
Yeoldelock
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Some numbers because I know you guys like that kind of thing. 2485 Titanium prospected on live realm:

368 Titanium Dust
124 Epic quality
132 Blue quality
749 Green quality


I have no clue, how lucky or unlucky I was (and don't want to know), but wanted to contribute a little info to the site that has given so much.

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Old 08/05/09, 4:49 AM   #1520
suicuique
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Originally Posted by Yeoldelock View Post
2485 Titanium prospected on live realm:

368 Titanium Dust
124 Epic quality
132 Blue quality
749 Green quality
This is almost spot on to the PTR observed ratio of 1 epic, 1 rare, 6 uncommen gems and 3 Dust per Titanium stack.

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Old 08/05/09, 4:52 AM   #1521
Delores Mulva
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Originally Posted by Vorda
There was a big topic about it back then on these forums. They would all shift around contents when the patch released iirc. The ones that were 'looked in' but not looted also had different/new items.
It's too late to make money off the mechanic for 3.2, but I found confirmation today that this is still correct. A Bag of Fishing Treasures which I obtained pre-patch had a Waterlogged Recipe (new with patch) in it when opened post-patch.

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Old 08/05/09, 5:26 AM   #1522
Madlax
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I have 30 Icy Prisms stocked for that reason and will give you a short post on the results once the EU servers are up.

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Old 08/05/09, 6:28 AM   #1523
songster
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Originally Posted by suicuique View Post
This is almost spot on to the PTR observed ratio of 1 epic, 1 rare, 6 uncommen gems and 3 Dust per Titanium stack.
Titanium ore has the exact same drop table as Saronite ore, except that in addition you have a 1/4 chance of an epic gem and 3/4 chance of a dust.

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Old 08/05/09, 7:57 AM   #1524
Keyne
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I looted my 14 previously unopened prisms and got what appeared to be a normal looking distribution of rare gems as was expected, plus the 11th had a Zircon.

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Old 08/05/09, 8:23 AM   #1525
Aéquitas
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I really doubt there will be a huge increase in people using purple gems to hit Meta Requirements. Most will use the +10 stats one and leave it with that.

The socketbonusses are about the same as they were and with the extra stats our epic gems have gotten the difference is just to big to valid using the correct color gem in most cases.
I am one of those people who always had to get the socketbonus even if it was a tiny dps loss but with the difference becoming so big now even I am gonna switch to socketing red gems only.

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