Also, on annother note, we discussed Chalcedony a few weeks ago, in terms of a spike in price. It has spiked again on my server, and from the responses last time, I am betting on others as well. This spike though is huge. I am now selling some of my stock at 10.5 g per, while paying 13 g per stack of saronite. This pricing will only go up, as at 10.5 g per, I was undercutting by 1.5 g, just to see if this realy is a new median price. This is likey worth checking out for anyone doing the saronite shuffle, for me, it is keeping me from making any more Skyflares for a few days, if the pricing is this good.
I have been selling chalcedony on my server for 9-12g pretty consistently over the last two months. One day this week, during my daily AH scan, I saw they were listed for 50g+! I thought it was impossible, but I went ahead and listed five at 47g50s and four of them sold. I was dumb-founded.
I have been selling chalcedony on my server for 9-12g pretty consistently over the last two months. One day this week, during my daily AH scan, I saw they were listed for 50g+! I thought it was impossible, but I went ahead and listed five at 47g50s and four of them sold. I was dumb-founded.
Find out which gems are needed that day for the daily? Maybe it spikes on that day?
... it's still (barely) profitable depending on how cheap the leather was that's sitting in your bank.
The price something was at a point in the past is irrelevant. If the price of leather changed, so did the value of the stuff in your bank. If you bought it very cheap, and it went up in price, then your wealth increased (assuming a vehicle to liquidate exists.) At any given point, the profitability of any given conversion is based on the value of the items in question at that singular point, and no other, barring speculation for future change.
Basically, if it's no longer profitable because the price of leather has gone up, then just selling the leather you have will provide the greater return.
Check the Dream Shard market out again. Prices have doubled in mine, likely due to the fast that diamonds are very profitable currently, and people are making dust out of everything due to the change in quantity from items. Also, the MMO champ article specificaly talked about dust, and most folowers of MMO have near zero creativity.
For me, I netted 1.5k this morning, just from burning through quite a bit of Dark Jade and Huge Citrine. Now the mats would have made slightly more dust, for those who will chime in on opportunity cost, but in terms of time, using 11g in mats to create 14.5 g in proffit in 8 seconds was pretty good in terms of time cost. Along with this fact, I have already pushed the dust market well past saturation, so this is a great outlet (sitting on 1800 earths).
EDIT: <ignore this, I didn't realize there was still one other page I hadn't read>
EDIT 2: Still, if you find people selling Dream Shards at the old prices, buy them out and relist them at the new prices if the supply is low enough.
Originally Posted by XI-
In summary, TBC raiding is easy. 9/10 encounters can be summarized with 1 phrase. Stay out of the fucking fire. If this is too difficult BWL was still there last I checked, so go have at it for some practice.
Anyone noticed new "AH bots" on their servers recently? Apparently the "chinese farmers" has grown a brain and now craft goods which they sell. Problem here is for honest customers, if a guy camps AH 18/7/365 or more, and cancel the second someone undercut them. The room on AH for real players diminish very quickly.
Anyone noticed new "AH bots" on their servers recently? Apparently the "chinese farmers" has grown a brain and now craft goods which they sell. Problem here is for honest customers, if a guy camps AH 18/7/365 or more, and cancel the second someone undercut them. The room on AH for real players diminish very quickly.
Find their limits, then post at the limit that they will undercut, and buy their stuff?
Find their limits, then post at the limit that they will undercut, and buy their stuff?
What limits did you ever find "farmers" have? 50% below normal mats cost or even lower and near limitless supply with 24/7 presence, cant beat that as human, and that's where the problem is.
If they are removing mats from the system to craft goods, they create an opportunity in the raw material market. Instead of undercutting mats with what they gather, they use it themselves and alter the supply/demand ratio. Find the opportunity and profit from it.
As to the original question, you shouldn't have any trouble selling your titanium, unless you make a ridiculous amount (like a bank full, or something). As an expansion gets older, boe crafted gear becomes more in demand, as it's usually easier to get gear crafted for your fresh 80 alt than go through old dungeons/raids to gear him up.
I'm not sure that follows as well in Wrath, because come 3.3, you can get your guy into ilvl 219 just by getting dragged through regular ToC (200) and regular Frozen Halls (219), and the Heroic ToC gives 219 while Heroic Frozen Halls is 232. And once we move to EoT dropping from every heroic, that BoE stuff won't look as appetizing.
Originally Posted by Knasen
Anyone noticed new "AH bots" on their servers recently?
What I've noticed is spam in trade offering to sell pretty much every ToC25 recipe and Crusader Orbs at really low prices, almost as if they had somehow hijacked a guild vault or something, but it seems like they have them constantly, so they can't have hacked just one vault (especially since we're not as progressed a server, so there's only 2-3 guilds with that stuff in their vault).
What I've noticed is spam in trade offering to sell pretty much every ToC25 recipe and Crusader Orbs at really low prices, almost as if they had somehow hijacked a guild vault or something, but it seems like they have them constantly, so they can't have hacked just one vault (especially since we're not as progressed a server, so there's only 2-3 guilds with that stuff in their vault).
They probably have a couple accounts on hand that they would server transfer rather than having items on each server. There are bots advertising ToC/Uld BoE epics too which I'm pretty sure are the same thing.
I'm not sure that follows as well in Wrath, because come 3.3, you can get your guy into ilvl 219 just by getting dragged through regular ToC (200) and regular Frozen Halls (219), and the Heroic ToC gives 219 while Heroic Frozen Halls is 232. And once we move to EoT dropping from every heroic, that BoE stuff won't look as appetizing.
Those are both good points. My counterpoint to the first is that there is already ilvl 226 and 245 gear available through crafting in four slots, and there will conceivably be a couple of patterns dropping in ICC as well. So, crafting gear gets your alt ready faster than running through ilvl 219 content.
The EoT point is exactly what happened in TBC when Sunwell was released (T6 equivalent gear was available for Badges of Heroism). I don't recall exactly, but was there a price drop in Primal Mights, etc. when Sunwell was released?
If memory serves me right, there was indeed a fairly steep drop (40-50%) for the average price of Primal Might once the Sunwell patch hit. Casuals who hadn't run Black Temple were getting T6 equivalent gear by farming badges from Kara and the like. Similarly, the new LFG tool will make farming Emblems of Triumph extremely easy.
With this in mind, it's likely the trade chat spam for crafted epics/BOEs/Orbs from these bots/farmers will diminish greatly once 3.3 hits.
Those are both good points. My counterpoint to the first is that there is already ilvl 226 and 245 gear available through crafting in four slots, and there will conceivably be a couple of patterns dropping in ICC as well. So, crafting gear gets your alt ready faster than running through ilvl 219 content.
The EoT point is exactly what happened in TBC when Sunwell was released (T6 equivalent gear was available for Badges of Heroism). I don't recall exactly, but was there a price drop in Primal Mights, etc. when Sunwell was released?
it does help that some of the crafted ilvl 245 items are BiS or close to BiS for a lot of classes. while playing an elemental shaman even though I get to roll on cloth and leather items it doesn't mean that I get priority on them even though they are BiS. so it's easier to craft the harder to get items like bracers. and having those recipies helps because for something that costs about 4k to make I can sell for almost 9k maybe once a week which is really nice for making some easy cash
This thread has so far been very centralised around "how to make money with x" which of course is the start for anyone.
Myself I started with 5k gold when ulduar hit and have since worked my way up to absurd amount of gold and would like to share some tips on how to go from "casual" to "tycoon" on your AH.
Back then I had leveled JC and enchanting in anticipation of Ulduar, the choices here was just because it was viewed as the 2 best proffesions on this site, got no clue it could make money, but soon after that I started reading this very thread and saw the "convert gems to dust" scheme which later has been "over used" on all servers.
What I want to say with this is simple, you got to start small if you want to get somewhere, this probably just gave me
< 100g per day early on, much worse than any dailies would ever do.
Step 1
Surveying the market
Before you try to enter a market its important to learn its variation during the week. Flasks for example sell in hundred the first "raid-day" after the weekly reset and then sells good again some time during the weekend when the casuals do their raids.
These variations holds true for most markets (but not all) and to max your profit per the time spent this part is very important to understand.
Step 2
"Make your enemies your friends"
If you know the habbits of your competion you can earn tons and tons by logging in right after they logged out and post yours. Learning when and how others post in the market can be the difference between 100g of items sold and 1000g of items sold for the same amount ( absolute numbers will of course change depending on market but the relative difference will stay).
Step 3
Test the waters
Once you have gained some initial knowledge of the markets its time to test it out. DONT make the mistake and go all in with very little resources early on, the other competion will eat you whole if you try to do this in a competive market.
This step is mostly to increase and confirm the knowledge earned during step 2.
Step 4
Secure the supply chain
Before you try and make a market your own its important to stack up on supplies. One of the best deals you will ever find in this game is a guildbank with 3 banktabs, this cost a mere 850g but will let you hold vast resources.
For supplies there is 3 major supply ways; guildies/friends, AH and "other".
If you are lucky you can get a happy farming guildie or friend to supply some of your needs to a good price for both.
AH can give you good deals but its important to know and understand the weekly variation of the goods you are in need of if this is gonna be your major source of materials.
"Other" is one I never used personally but know you can get tremendous deals this way, its just a matter if you think this is an "ethic" way.
Step 5
Step up your business
Its now time to make your presence known. With a large supply of materials you should be able to have to resources to quickly replace any sales and be able to constanly undercut your competition. Be wary of the posting fee's, it can quickly eat into your profitmargin if you are too reckless.
Step 6
Taking control
We are all humans and we all hate "losing". By cutting enough of your competitions sales he might abandon the market to go to other more attractive business or just throwing in the towel. This will never happen over a day but just taking away one other in the market will increase your profit many many times.
Step 7
Ruling the market
If you ever reach this state where you control the prices of the markets your gains will be astronomical. Want to sale something at 2000% profit a few times a day? Yes please! That is what happens here, your competition got very low amount of the total sales and the way the prices turns is decided by you.
This is also the reason why I wrote step 3, I have eaten tons of happy new competition which thought they just could jump in and be "the man" which always ends the same way, they give up and sell of their gods at loss.
Its never as easy as 1,2,3 which I make it look here but I hope I atleast gave you some insight!
One of the most important ways to increase sales is to look at synergies between your existing profession and learn how something from proffesion x can help you in market y. But that topic is for another time.
It seems that drop rate of chalcedony from prospecting is "fixed" since for two days now I'm getting normal amount of it compared to weeks before. Can anyone confirm this?
It seems that drop rate of chalcedony from prospecting is "fixed" since for two days now I'm getting normal amount of it compared to weeks before. Can anyone confirm this?
I am not even sure I should answer this but.... random is random. Also congratulations, what you have witnessed is the opposite of the "Law of Large Numbers". I think you are now certified to pass at least one test in high school statistics.
Better yet, since you actually wanted Chalcedony you were probably paying more attention to it. Because of this, even though the numbers were the same, your perception could have been skewed.
Also, on a related note I discovered this on wikipedia: Infinite monkey theorem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Which is along the lines of any conspiracy theory. Blizzard doesn't have time nor reason to nerf Chalcedony drop-rate, stop being silly.
Originally Posted by arison
Everyone should start from the same place and rise based on their abilities, desires, and schedule. No one plays MMOs to *be* powerful, they play MMOs to *become* powerful. It's the journey, stupid. The rarer loot is, the more cherished it is when you get it, but only so long as there is a reasonable expectation to get it. The rarer loot is, the better it feels when you kill a boss or when $AWESOME_TRINKET drops.
Since patch 3.2 the number of people playing twinks has greatly decreased since the XP / non-XP BG separation basically killed non-XP ques in most battlegroups. They have attempted to organize on a few select battlegroups to keep things active (e.g. Ruin for 19 twinks), but elsewhere people are figuring out there's no point in making a twink you can't play on. Keep that in mind before you craft or farm a ton of twink gear.
If you meant 'twink' in the sense of people buying min/max gear for their toon while leveling my comment doesn't apply.
I have found that if you are an enchanter with recipes like 22 int, 30 spellpower, 15 agility, or crusader (less, since it's a not a rep recipe) you can make a pretty good profit selling weapon scrolls on the AH since these work with BOA weapons. Usually less competition than higher level markets.
Speaking of pre-BC enchants, I have found Greater Eternal Essences to be selling at very high prices (30g per essence usually). This makes farming Stratholme, as an enchanter, quite a decent moneymaker: kill everything on the UD side (and pray for the mount), head for the living side, kill everything there too, and you'll end up with an easy 30 GEEs and 2 to 4 crusader orbs depending on your luck. You'll also end up with a ridiculous amount of Large Brilliant Shards, which unfortunately don't sell very well, but still, that's a rather easy 500g to 1000g per run (not counting the greys, which really add up on a complete run, and the runecloth, which every now and then spikes in prices, making it worth keeping).
If you're going to exert the kind of effort to do actual farming, you are well served to pick up the farming donkey from the Argent Tournament. That would make Stratholme much more profitable in the gold/hour sense.
What professions offer fire-and-forget reliable money makers?
I ask because I have basically every profession, and I have several more alts with free profession slots. It seems that those would be best used for this sort of fire-and-forget ability.
Professions that come to mind:
Alchemy - Transmute (esp. Epic Gem Transmutes)
Tailoring - Cloth Cooldowns (long 4d cooldown, unfortunately)
Mining - Titansteel Cooldown (20h CD)
Any others? JC has the Icy Prism, but at least on my server the materials for Prism sell for about as much as the expected value of the Prism's results.
Last edited by alcaras : 12/04/09 at 12:19 PM.
Reason: Oops, Titansteel has a C/D in 3.3, Titanium does not and is alchemy anyway
Mining - Titansteel Cooldown (off cooldown in 3.3)
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Titansteel transmute is coming off cooldown, but rather the Titanium cooldown.
As for fire-and-forget, I would peg Alchemy as the winner in that comparison. Cloth CDs from Tailoring can make some money, but as you note, its a 4-day timer, making the profit per day take a huge hit. Epic gem transmutes, on the other hand, can make 100g a day on my server. Not to mention meta gems (which have to cooldown) can be profitable if you have the right cuts on you JCer, though the volume on those sales is rather low (should pick up again with new gear from ICC, however).
11/06/09, 12:14 PM
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