The icy art of making gold - Page 9

Volrath50 · 12/13/08, 8:34 PM

Originally Posted by Warr

I've taken a similar track with prospecting and JC in the expansion and I can tell you that if you are able to buy stacks upon stacks of cheap ore to prospect and cut and can turn a profit on it, it is in your best interest to sell as much as possible, as quickly as possible. To do this, you undercut competitors ruthlessly, just to make sure your gems sell. It doesn't matter if you are getting 10 or 25 gold less per gem, as long as it is profit and out of your inventory, then you have room to by more ore and repeat the process.

The only thing that should be moderating how much ore you buy and fast you do this is how fast you can sell because unsold gems = no profit and you don't want to carry too much unsold inventory. There's not a lot to gain by trying to draw out the process over a period of time because the market can only go down as more JCs get in on the action and get the harder-to-find designs. The new alternatives to getting gems (new Brilliant Glass, emblem-bought gems) also have a lot of potential to affect the market negatively, so you need to get yours while the getting is good.

One area of improvement I would recommend on Saavuorii's approach would be to not ignore some of the other colors. Orange and yellow cuts still command relatively high prices on my server and there's a wide enough variety of desirable ones that there's almost as much profit potential there as well.

Yeah, I still make a decent profit on orange and yellow. The +defense one sells pretty consistently for 40-50g, and the orange gems, well, I can't figure out what's going on with them. The demand for certain orange gems fluctuates massively, and almost without any real reason I can see. An orange gem I that sells very fast for 100g one day will simply not move for 30g the next. I really can't figure out what to do with orange gems, so I frequently sell the raw gems, unless a certain cut appears to be the flavor of the day. Green gems, oddly enough, have ended up as one of my better non-rubies. The 8 Defense 12 Stamina gem sells consistently for 40g, which is much better than the near worthless raw 10g gem.

I wonder where all the missing gems cuts are, though? Did blizzard simply overlook them, or are they going to add them on, say Ulduar rep? Obviously we have no idea, but I do wish I didn't have to use parry gems because there are no dodge gems.

Duravi · 12/14/08, 9:17 AM

What ratio of eternal earth price to cosmic essence/infinite dust prices would those of you deing stoneguard bands stop buying eternal earths at?

Malthes · 12/14/08, 9:39 AM

What I've done is:

1) Pick a minimum price for raw enchanting mats. Say, 6g per dust, 20g per larger essence, 15g per dream shard, 100g per abyssal. These should be prices that raw mats in the AH stay comfortably above (if not, you have a problem).

2) Assume green armor DEs to 2 ID, green weapons to 1 GCE, blues to one DS, and purples to one AC.

3) If the price of the materials is less than the output, buy it.

Where this strategy has fallen down is in leveling enchanting, I still need to do actual enchants and so am listing vellums on the AH, which are hard to find a profitable price point for, because of the perceived cost/value.

For example, I listed [Scroll of Enchant Boots - Greater Spirit] for 200g. My cost was, at most, 182g (with a 10g vellum), so a nice, low, profit. The cost of raw mats on my server is somewhere around 300g. I get interest when I announce that it's available, but it still sits unsold, and has been listed twice. People say things like "I can get mats for WAY cheaper than that" but I'm not exactly sure how they are doing it, if they are not an enchanter.

Once I get to 450 enchanting, I'm definitely using this strategy to unload mats only.

Randyll · 12/14/08, 12:16 PM

When season one started everybody except warriors went crazy about stamina gems. After that people started socketing offensive, i.e. not resilience / stamina related, gems and that carried until the end of S4. On beta the premade characters were packed with stamina and resilience gems, which was probably due to Blizzard wanting people playing with high resilience chraracters so that arena's were somewhat balanced at time. Will be

That said, what will be the new trend in PvP socketing? With the addition of hybrid gems such as strength and resilience, it'll probably be the new black in the start, however as people near the cap without much of a problem in future seasons it'll lean towards offensive gems again.

Mixe · 12/14/08, 1:03 PM

JC is seeming to be VERY strong for gold right now. I made 12k+ off JC so far. I'm pretty sure I was server 2nd with 450 JC. I had a brilliant idea of instead of levelling 2nd day of release, I'd go mine. And so I did and had NO competition at all. This way I sold loads of Gems and made a fortune. However, people who were 80 starting to home in on what I was doing so as I was stuck at 75, many others were 80 getting the faction/daily recipes.

A few things which seem to sell extremely well on my server:

[Bright Scarlet Ruby] - 100g+ everytime. The only other Scarlet Ruby Gem worth making alongside this is [Runed Scarlet Ruby].

[Regal Twilight Opal] - another 100g+ everytime. Very popular with tanks also.

The Orange Monarch Topaz Gems are quite interesting. As a poster said above, they sometimes are REALLY popular, then sometimes not so popular. The ones I can usually sell for 100g~ is [Deadly Monarch Topaz] [Glimmering Monarch Topaz] and [Pristine Monarch Topaz].

Another way I've made gold is buying the individual Nobles cards and selling the whole deck on the AH for double the money I bought it for. This isn't guarenteed to work and really depends on how cheap the cards are on your server.

Malcophant · 12/14/08, 1:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mixe

Another way I've made gold is buying the individual Nobles cards and selling the whole deck on the AH for double the money I bought it for. This isn't guarenteed to work and really depends on how cheap the cards are on your server.

I expect that either your server or mine (or both) is the exception here, since cards are going for 2k+ right now. Spending 16k for something that may or may not sell is not a risk I'm willing to take.

Nayt · 12/14/08, 6:53 PM

Originally Posted by Mixe

JC is seeming to be VERY strong for gold right now. I made 12k+ off JC so far. I'm pretty sure I was server 2nd with 450 JC. I had a brilliant idea of instead of levelling 2nd day of release, I'd go mine. And so I did and had NO competition at all. This way I sold loads of Gems and made a fortune. However, people who were 80 starting to home in on what I was doing so as I was stuck at 75, many others were 80 getting the faction/daily recipes.

A few things which seem to sell extremely well on my server:

[Bright Scarlet Ruby] - 100g+ everytime. The only other Scarlet Ruby Gem worth making alongside this is [Runed Scarlet Ruby].

[Regal Twilight Opal] - another 100g+ everytime. Very popular with tanks also.

The Orange Monarch Topaz Gems are quite interesting. As a poster said above, they sometimes are REALLY popular, then sometimes not so popular. The ones I can usually sell for 100g~ is [Deadly Monarch Topaz] [Glimmering Monarch Topaz] and [Pristine Monarch Topaz].

Weird hearing that those gems are actually selling for that much on your server seeing as those gem cuts are basically available right away to all JCers via a trainer/guaranteed drop (obviously ever server is different and I don't mean the Exalted cuts). I'd suggest picking up the +16 Hit and +16 Agility. Those sell much better and much faster. I guess I'd assume that uncut gems on your server are (too) expensive and that's why the trainer cuts are selling that high (I'm a medium pop server with not too many JCers and those gems sell for 40g cut because they're initial skill ups). Also Meta gems are selling like mad on my server, I log on and get asked for Insightful Earthsiege cuts right away.

Thairne · 12/15/08, 4:20 AM

With the Feast of Winter Veil starting, exploit the inherent lazyness of the people. The Egg Nog - Spell - World of Warcraft and Gingerbread Cookie - Spell - World of Warcraft are a neat, low risk way of generating some neat cash.
Head out to Silvermoon, kill lvl 5 Dragonhawks which drop 1-2 [Small Egg] each. List these eggs for some freakish high amount like 10g and watch them sell. Or try and list the product itself.
Heck, you can even try walking the 10 yards over to the inn in OG, buy 2-3 stacks of ice cold milk and list it. Some people will buy it for either just not knowing or caring.

Disquette · 12/15/08, 8:58 AM

Those small eggs are being sold and bought on our AH for 75g each. That's a pretty good return for flying to Loch Modan and farming for a few minutes.

Angeron · 12/15/08, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Duravi

What ratio of eternal earth price to cosmic essence/infinite dust prices would those of you deing stoneguard bands stop buying eternal earths at?

Stoneguard bands (and the other green ring shadowmight ring I believe) both give a minimum of 2 infinite dust with a pretty decent (anecdotally 15-20%) chance of 1-2 GCEs. You will see 3 and 4 dust drop from the rings on occasion but normally 2 dust is the norm. That being said, a ratio of 1:1 is your break even (MC=MP) point for prices.

Whitemane · 12/15/08, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Angeron

Stoneguard bands (and the other green ring shadowmight ring I believe) both give a minimum of 2 infinite dust with a pretty decent (anecdotally 15-20%) chance of 1-2 GCEs. You will see 3 and 4 dust drop from the rings on occasion but normally 2 dust is the norm. That being said, a ratio of 1:1 is your break even (MC=MP) point for prices.

2 dust is the absolute minimum, 3-4 is much more likely. You can use both eternal earth/shadow or 2 x eternal earth to make those rings. On my server they're about 8g for the eternal and 6.5g for the dust. Good profit still.

Gink · 12/15/08, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by Disquette

Those small eggs are being sold and bought on our AH for 75g each. That's a pretty good return for flying to Loch Modan and farming for a few minutes.

There's a flock of Fleshrippers inside a fence in the back of a house in Moonbrook/Westfall that just keeps instantly respawning as you kill them. You can farm these eggs very quickly there.

Edit: Sorry, I'm mistaken, didn't know this was fixed.

• Chicken · 12/15/08, 5:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gink

There's a flock of Fleshrippers inside a fence in the back of a house in Moonbrook/Westfall that just keeps instantly respawning as you kill them. You can farm these eggs very quickly there.

Alternatively the dragonhawks in Eversong Forest also seem to always drop 1 or 2 eggs for each kill you do. They're more spread out than the Fleshrippers are, but that's both a good and a bad things in such a case.

DarkChylde · 12/16/08, 3:02 AM

Originally Posted by Gink

There's a flock of Fleshrippers inside a fence in the back of a house in Moonbrook/Westfall that just keeps instantly respawning as you kill them. You can farm these eggs very quickly there.

I'm almost positive that they fixed the respawn rate at that location.

Zurgat · 12/16/08, 3:56 AM

Originally Posted by Gink

There's a flock of Fleshrippers inside a fence in the back of a house in Moonbrook/Westfall that just keeps instantly respawning as you kill them. You can farm these eggs very quickly there.

That location was already fixed last year.
A good spot is just east of westfall, however the spawn is shared with some boars.

Better yet would be near silvermoon, as each of the dragonhawks there has a "guaranteed" drop of 1-2 eggs.