yeah I dont see them buffing it anymore and till then I will still way mana/5 far higher than spirit. That is just me though. I mean I do want to get my spirit up higher(at like 210, meh) but not to sacrifice more than 1 or 2 points of mana/5.
Well Oof, shaman still lack an effective big heal, a group heal, or a heal over time. The healing ability of a priest is in the versatility of their heals, not necessarily their ability to spam only 1 spell better than any other class
I agree with finding a balance between the mana per 5 and the + healing. as said above the mana per 5 is awesome for shammy's. + Healing is great but dumping alot of int for it is pointless, sorta like fireworks, a few brilliant flashes and then your done. Alot of shamans underestimate chain heal but as Praetorian said above it can be really useful if you know what your doing with the +healing stacking so well. But yeah to repeat a few people, finding the right balance does impact your healing alot.
Originally Posted by ex-Mistikman,October 13th, 2005 @ 3:03PM
Well Oof, shaman still lack an effective big heal, a group heal, or a heal over time. The healing ability of a priest is in the versatility of their heals, not necessarily their ability to spam only 1 spell better than any other class
Because I gheal like a madman in BWL, right? RIGHT?
Yes, we have more diversity, but my statement still holds true. The new 5 second rule helps shaman a whole lot more than druids or priests.
Originally Posted by Rumil,October 13th, 2005 @ 4:06PM
(random lurker post =P)
I agree with finding a balance between the mana per 5 and the + healing. as said above the mana per 5 is awesome for shammy's. + Healing is great but dumping alot of int for it is pointless, sorta like fireworks, a few brilliant flashes and then your done. Alot of shamans underestimate chain heal but as Praetorian said above it can be really useful if you know what your doing with the +healing stacking so well. But yeah to repeat a few people, finding the right balance does impact your healing alot.
I have no problems hurting my mana pool if it means upping my +to heal and mana regen. mana pool is overrated. I just make sure I have 7k mana buffed, I dont find it emperative to go above that. If it does go above that then so be it.
Because I gheal like a madman in BWL, right? RIGHT?
Yes, we have more diversity, but my statement still holds true. The new 5 second rule helps shaman a whole lot more than druids or priests.
It may have helped us but honestly all it did was keep spirit from being absolutely worthless for a shaman and making it something useful. mana/5 was a bigger addition for shamans imo.
Originally Posted by hamlet,October 13th, 2005 @ 4:10PM
Originally Posted by Rumil,October 13th, 2005 @ 4:06PM
(random lurker post =P)
I agree with finding a balance between the mana per 5 and the + healing. as said above the mana per 5 is awesome for shammy's. + Healing is great but dumping alot of int for it is pointless, sorta like fireworks, a few brilliant flashes and then your done. Alot of shamans underestimate chain heal but as Praetorian said above it can be really useful if you know what your doing with the +healing stacking so well. But yeah to repeat a few people, finding the right balance does impact your healing alot.
I have no problems hurting my mana pool if it means upping my +to heal and mana regen. mana pool is overrated. I just make sure I have 7k mana buffed, I dont find it emperative to go above that. If it does go above that then so be it.
Im not talking small nerfs, i know some shaman that have went to 5-6k ish buffed just for + healing
Originally Posted by hamlet,October 13th, 2005 @ 3:10PM
It may have helped us but honestly all it did was keep spirit from being absolutely worthless for a shaman and making it something useful. mana/5 was a bigger addition for shamans imo.
Mana/5 is a nice addition, yes, but it helps every class the same. It's doesn't alter the games healing hierarchy.
Anyway, this is a shaman topic after all, I should stop rambling.
Shaman itemization isn't so deep that it's really a very difficult decision, anyway.
For starters, aim for 5 Earthfury and 3 Ten Storms. Get Jin'do's Hexxer or an Aurastone or the like, and a shield from Rag or Vael. Snag Jin'do's necklace or Vael's necklace, a couple of decent rings (Archmagus, Cauterizing, etc.), a Hide of the Wild or equivalent, and a Shard of the Scale, and you're ready to tear up the healbotting scene.
Originally Posted by Oof,October 13th, 2005 @ 4:17PM
Originally Posted by hamlet,October 13th, 2005 @ 3:10PM
It may have helped us but honestly all it did was keep spirit from being absolutely worthless for a shaman and making it something useful. mana/5 was a bigger addition for shamans imo.
Mana/5 is a nice addition, yes, but it helps every class the same. It's doesn't alter the games healing hierarchy.
Anyway, this is a shaman topic after all, I should stop rambling.
I dont think it really affected the higherarchy too much. Shamans are still considered the red-headed step child when it comes to group healing. I think we are very good healers but we are still a strong 3rd.
Originally Posted by Praetorian,October 13th, 2005 @ 4:23PM
Shaman itemization isn't so deep that it's really a very difficult decision, anyway.
For starters, aim for 5 Earthfury and 3 Ten Storms. Get Jin'do's Hexxer or an Aurastone or the like, and a shield from Rag or Vael. Snag Jin'do's necklace or Vael's necklace, a couple of decent rings (Archmagus, Cauterizing, etc.), a Hide of the Wild or equivalent, and a Shard of the Scale, and you're ready to tear up the healbotting scene.
oh yes I understand all that but until I get 5/ef 3/ts? honestly till I need the slot for set bonus I use helm of the lifegiver and until I get malistars or the red dragon shield I use the ever controversial fire runed grimoire. I am an odd shaman. I go against the grain some. I use padre's trousers right now which many laugh at but meh. I do need a cauterizing band though to match with my seal.
I would need to do AV more to get that and I really hate PvP. Until they get rid of DKs and start allowing us to do city raids without people freaking out about their pvp rank I am really not interested so I just spend my time in orgrimmar playing the AH.
Originally Posted by hamlet,October 13th, 2005 @ 4:34PM
I would need to do AV more to get that and I really hate PvP. Until they get rid of DKs and start allowing us to do city raids without people freaking out about their pvp rank I am really not interested so I just spend my time in orgrimmar playing the AH.
you technically don't have to pvp to get exalted in av. oh well.
well true but I still need to waste time, and honestly I need fire runed to stick at around the 7k mana without sacrificing in other areas. That and I do like adding to damage when possible and lei of the lifegiver is only +to healing. Oh and if I am off farming people always notice me then I have to deal with silly tells. That and I would feel guilty just feeding off of others when someone else could come in and help us defeat the alliance. Horde has been pretty dominant in AV against alliance and I really dont want to hurt that even if I dont feel like participating.
fixed it was starting to annoy the hell out of me also, I can only handle soo much dancing fat kids. BTW sorry bout the avatar thing though I had taken it off of that. It doesnt show up on my forum settings for your forums.
Originally Posted by Praetorian,October 13th, 2005 @ 3:24PM
Personally, as stated above, I go for an even balance of stats: I have +443 healing and 54 mana/5, and I feel extremely effective as a raid healer.
Another lurker here!
I was just wondering with those above numbers.... it seems like you would give up some +spell crit for that. Do you feel that the tradoff is worth it, as in not only do you loose the critical heals, but also the AF that are generated by it? Previous to you post, I was aiming for something that seemed a bit more balanced across healing, mana regen, and spell crit, however after looking at this, and what you describe, i was wondering if the lower amount of AF procs were of any concern.
Yes our armor pool is pretty much set, however ring, trinket, weapon, back changes can either have you at 2% spell crit w/ 500+healing/60+mana, or 8% s.crit /300+healing/30+mana. However, since both priest and shaman are able to proc AF, is it worth it... ?
There are enough heals being thrown around for someone to get off a crit and throw one of those +armor buffs, but in the long run that only helps things for those 15 seconds where you just happened to get that crit heal.
For the long run you are just going to need healing efficiency and mana regen.
<+kenlyric> people who say they want less complex games are just trying to cover up the fact that they are bad at games
Crit heals are overrated. +regen and +healing are what the cool kids are getting.
Originally Posted by Lyta
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yeah and crit heals are impossible to manage. You dont know exactly when one is coming. With high crit spell gear you have to be careful when you toss your first heal on some bosses with their squirrely aggro. +to heal is constant, and mana regen allows you to go much longer. crit spell stuff is nice for all around and if PvE is not your primary job then you may want to look at more crit for elemental but honestly I feel it is a waste in BWL. The other thing is people dont figure their healing limits based on crits so you have a much greater chance of overheals and overheal sucks.
Originally Posted by maxx,October 13th, 2005 @ 7:19PM
Yes our armor pool is pretty much set, however ring, trinket, weapon, back changes can either have you at 2% spell crit w/ 500+healing/60+mana, or 8% s.crit /300+healing/30+mana. However, since both priest and shaman are able to proc AF, is it worth it... ?
Eye of the Beast is garbage for shamans.
Personally, two months or so ago, I used to use my DM trinket + epic AV trinket or Blazing Emblem. Then I used my DM trinket + Shard of the Scale. Now I use Rejuvenating Gem + Shard of the Scale, which I consider an optimal pairing for a shaman.
In retrospect, I should've gotten Mindtap talismans before I had epics.
As for spell crit, I certainly still have a fair bit. Earthfury gaunts, Earthfury BP, Ten Storms Belt/Helm/Legs. That's +5% crit. +5% more from talents, and the effect of base crit rate and int, and I get plenty of crit heals.
I've never really had problems with aggro from crit heals, really. Just take a deep breath before casting that first heal on a tank on a fresh mob in case it crits. Once you get past the first heal, you're good to go.
yeah I agree it is only on that first time you heal but I still will never emphasize crit for the reasons I stated earlier. I like the constant heal that is predictable. I know I will be healing with my lhw for 1050-1200 and I like that.
I'm personally not a fan of +Heal due to overhealing, I prefer being able to cast lots and lots of weaker heals and concentration is great for that. Fights where you have a strict healing rotation however are nice for taking advantage of +heal.
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