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Old 10/16/05, 10:29 PM   #1
hamlet_the_lesser
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I mean outside of these new world bosses there isnt a whole lot that really will be nice for nat resist(I suppose some in ZG also). Atleast back when you were making your fire resist sets you had pieces from your tier 1 and some other pretty nice Items out there. Who knows shall be interesting. Looking at the drops from the world dragons looks like Nat resist will be vital in AQ.


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Old 10/16/05, 10:51 PM   #2
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I have a feeling we're going to need NR sets and some strong Shadow resist sets soon. :(

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Old 10/16/05, 11:06 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Bad Luck,October 16th, 2005 @ 8:51PM
I have a feeling we're going to need NR sets and some strong Shadow resist sets soon. :(
But wait! This can't be! Blizzard reps specifically said they were trying to move away from requiring heavy resists as "difficulty modifiers" for upper level content...

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Old 10/16/05, 11:11 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Slug,October 16th, 2005 @ 10:06PM
Originally Posted by Bad Luck,October 16th, 2005 @ 8:51PM
I have a feeling we're going to need NR sets and some strong Shadow resist sets soon. :(
But wait! This can't be! Blizzard reps specifically said they were trying to move away from requiring heavy resists as "difficulty modifiers" for upper level content...

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OMG GUYS! ILLDIAN IS SUPOSED TO BE THE HARDEST BOSS PRE-EXPANSION!

THEY SAID SO IN CLOSED BETA!!!

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Old 10/16/05, 11:19 PM   #5
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Yeah I am almost certain AQ will require some serious nat resist but it may be that it wont be really intensive till the end or maybe not till 40 man so you can gear up in the 20 man first. requiring full sets of resist gear is an effective cock block and I am not entirely against it but it does suck.


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Old 10/16/05, 11:56 PM   #6
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nature resist drop from some of those silithus quest

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Old 10/17/05, 12:00 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by newladin,October 16th, 2005 @ 11:56PM
nature resist drop from some of those silithus quest
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Old 10/17/05, 9:08 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Slug,October 16th, 2005 @ 10:06PM
Originally Posted by Bad Luck,October 16th, 2005 @ 8:51PM
I have a feeling we're going to need NR sets and some strong Shadow resist sets soon. :(
But wait! This can't be! Blizzard reps specifically said they were trying to move away from requiring heavy resists as "difficulty modifiers" for upper level content...

:lol:
And then they released BWL.

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Old 10/17/05, 11:47 AM   #9
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Eh, resists will always be a factor in PvE. How could they not be? Mobs have magical attacks and they're resistable. For them to not be a factor Blizzard would have to either not ever give mobs elemental attacks, or make all such attacks unresistable. Either approach is lame. I don't think we'll see another situation like Ragnaros and the Thorium Brotherhood, where the entire zone progression is based on resist gear, though. Resists likely will be more of a factor for tanks than random raid members.

But anyway, I actually like that, particularly for tanks. Making decisions about mixing and matching your gear to get the optimal suit for tanking, say, Vaelastrasz, is a nice facet of the raid game. Same deal for other classes, albeit to a lesser extent. You need the resists, but you don't want to gimp yourself too much in other areas, and you have to find a balance.

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Old 10/17/05, 11:58 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,October 17th, 2005 @ 9:47AM
You need the resists, but you don't want to gimp yourself too much in other areas, and you have to find a balance.
What I fucking need is some bank/bag space. I'm not interested in carrying around 4 sets of gear.

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Old 10/17/05, 11:59 AM   #11
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yeah that last bank slot is starting to look tempting :( /cry.


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Old 10/17/05, 12:04 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by hamlet,October 17th, 2005 @ 11:59AM
yeah that last bank slot is starting to look tempting :( /cry.
haha, I love people who complain about inventory management and then mention casually that they might be forced to buy their 16th bank slot after all.

I have 4 18-slotters, a bank full of 16-slotters, and I rarely loot anything without first looking through my bag to find something to destroy. :angry:

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Old 10/17/05, 12:08 PM   #13
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lol I am just a cheap person that doesnt like to spend more money than I have to. Ofcourse I tend to over pay too often also. I have alway been able to manage without that one but now with having to figure in a nat resist set next time I get on I most likely will buy it.


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Old 10/17/05, 12:08 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,October 17th, 2005 @ 10:04AM
I have 4 18-slotters, a bank full of 16-slotters, and I rarely loot anything without first looking through my bag to find something to destroy. :angry:
3 alts with about 100 items in the mail limbo. Mail returns are instant! You couldn't possibly have that much BoP stuff, Gurg.

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Old 10/17/05, 12:11 PM   #15
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well if we are talking about alts an loot then well yeah I have alot more than that but I dont count that cause most of that is reagents for enchants and herbage and stuff that I dont need on me that instant, ofcourse I could open up some space by getting rid of my set of twill and my bow staff but that would be totally uncool :).


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Old 10/17/05, 12:14 PM   #16
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Yeah, I don't really have any alts though and like having everything accessible on short notice when needed. I did finally break down and mail off 300ish Core Leather to an alt the other day, though. :P

And yeah, I have a tremendous amount of BoP stuff, and then stuff that I need accessible whenever. If someone asks me to make a Lava Belt for them, I don't want to have to say "Ok, let me log on my alt to transfer the Cores." Probably two bags are full of cores, leather, dark iron, elementium, ingots, etc.

And then I have a stupid amount of BoP quest rewards and other gimmicky stuff that I'll never use but can't bring myself to destroy. (How many people actually have a Prismcharm? Their original Mechanical Yeti? And of course, my favorite -- Ragged John's Neverending Cup.)

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Old 10/17/05, 12:28 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,October 17th, 2005 @ 10:47AM
Eh, resists will always be a factor in PvE. How could they not be? Mobs have magical attacks and they're resistable. For them to not be a factor Blizzard would have to either not ever give mobs elemental attacks, or make all such attacks unresistable.
Resists matter for the entire raid when damage from an AoE elemental spell from a single school is a major problem. Rag, vael etc

I don't think thats the only way to make fights challenging, nor need it be emphasized in the future the way it was in MC/BWL.


On the other hand elemental damage on the tank does force them to go back to 'raiding 101' and ask "okay, in what ways am I tanking damage and how can we mitigate that."

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Old 10/17/05, 12:29 PM   #18
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I wish I still had my mechanical yeti. I still have my fire sapta :-D
The way I figure it if they want something bad enough they can wait for me to log onto my alt. Ofcourse I am also not the RL so I dont get mailed massive amounts of reagents for pots and other stuff.


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Old 10/17/05, 12:51 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by Elfan,October 17th, 2005 @ 12:28PM
Resists matter for the entire raid when damage from an AoE elemental spell from a single school is a major problem. Rag, vael etc

I don't think thats the only way to make fights challenging, nor need it be emphasized in the future the way it was in MC/BWL.
Yeah, I do think they'll do less of that. It is an effective way of implementing real raid progression though, if an annoying one.

Vael works as a real gatekeeper mob because he requires the same sort of gear you'd have needed to take down Rag (and then some). A guild could come into BWL with minimal MC loot and theoretically take down Razorgore. But Vael would stop even a skilled and coordinated group in its tracks if they hadn't first farmed MC and gotten a decent chunk of crafted items together.

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Old 10/17/05, 5:52 PM   #20
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Sigh so little bag space left - why blizz why :'(

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Old 10/19/05, 4:02 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,October 17th, 2005 @ 10:14AM
Their original Mechanical Yeti?
I finally forced myself to sell mine this past week. I'm still hanging onto my lens of stamina and my snowmaster, though. I'm glad I'm not expected to guildbank like you, too. Haha.

I'm just completely out of room. Slug's vault is full of a backlog of raiding items (potions/consumables/gear), engineering stuff, and quest items for quests I'll probably never get to finish but would hate to have to start over again.

Jad's is full of herbs, the deck of cards I just lack an ace for (dammit) and alchemy stuff.

My runecloth alt is full of runecloth, a crapton of ZG stuff (damn them), and the overflow storage bandages for my mains.

My priest is full of enchanting stuff.

I've got one alt with a tiny bit of room left on him, but I can't mail him most of the stuff that's taking up my space. :(

Not to mention I have to carry a crapload of stuff around with me at all times so I'm not forced to trip back to town if I want to raid or do a specific dungeon.

Not to mention that somewhere in that ungodly mess I have to find room for quest drops, thorium, and actual sellable loot.

Not to mention I'm expected to still have space for shards like some faggot warlocks who apparently have nothing but bagspace for reasons I'll never understand. :angry:

Why the hell can't I play a monk in this game yet? My monk in EQ had so much inventory room I could have started my own business lending it out by the week.

Sigh so little bag space left - why blizz why :'(
Official line?

"We at Blizzard refuse to learn from our past mistakes...or the mistakes of others. Besides, allowing more bank space would just futher clog the already taxed database server. So sorry. It's only your 4th, 5th, 6th set of required gear. Relax..."

Have faith, though. I'm sure they'll fix the problem eventually. Just look at what they did with the D2 expansion.

http://www.blizzard.com/diablo2exp/screens...tion/ss01.shtml

24 more slots sure helped the "tons of required mules" probl....wait a minute...

We're doomed.

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Old 10/19/05, 4:20 AM   #22
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I'm going to ninja 12 core leather on the next MC run and get _12_ more bank slots!

It's even worse for warlocks, I typically bank 16-32 shards to have in a pinch when a worldboss spawns or for MC - very glad I don't have engineering too :)

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Old 10/19/05, 11:20 AM   #23
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Bank slots? Full. I have 12 pieces of FR gear and four pieces of DPS stuff to swap in for trash and some boss fights. Three items for my ZG enchant, two different color bijous, three different kinds of coin - and I trade away whenever I can to get what I need for my next item. The rest is neat quest rewards (mechanical yeti included, 3 charges still. I'll burn one next time I fight nefarian), miscellaneous resist gear (nascent NR set, some fairly decent SR too), bandages, and soulbound stuff like whipper root tubers, scarlet thread, and abomination stitchings.

I have an alt just for fish. That's right, I fish enough I actually need to have an alt just to hold the useful fish I get. +stam, health/5, mana/5, and alchemy fish hang out on that mule. His inventory is about half full.

I have an enchanting alt. Her bank is full of enchanting stuff, including 90 Vision Dust. Not enough shards, though. :(

I have a crafting stuff alt. Large Opals, a bit of rugged leather just in case, and whatever else I think I might want goes to him. Also my second warlock voodoo doll. Full bank.

My 60 warrior has two full sets of gear plus a bunch of blacksmithing recipes he hasn't learned yet. Oh, and a 16-slot bag plum full of gems for crafting.

I agree, bank slots are a problem. :(

The most bag spaces I've had open on Gilliam at once is around 30, and that was when I'd sold everything I could and had 2 shards. Since I generally have at least 20 shards, it should be fairly clear bag space is a major difficulty Can't wait to have 15 or so pieces of Nature Resist!

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Old 10/19/05, 11:33 AM   #24
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I still dont know why they dont allow a warlocks soul shards to stack. It would fix atleast one of the problems.


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Old 10/19/05, 11:49 AM   #25
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You'd realize why when I hit you with 3k worth of free shadowburn every fight :)

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