Have you tried a fresh install of WoW? Just rename your current World of Warcraft folder and reinstall from the Wrath DVD, then restore your wtf/interface folders. I'd start with a clear config.wtf at first though.
How predictable are these crashes? If WoW ran for an hour without crashing would that be unusual, or are they not that regular?
I've run fresh installs of WoW, along with fresh OS installs. They are completely unpredictable. I can play for 2 days without a crash, and the next day, I could crash every 10 minutes. I noticed the most frequent area I'm able to recreate them is New Agamand. I'm able to crash there every couple minutes if I try to. (looking around, zooming in and out.)
Everywhere else, though.. it's pretty random.
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Yep, my temps after long periods of gaming are no higher than 52 degrees celcius. I've actually been playing for a couple hours now with no crashes. I enabled vsync, and I'm hoping that may have fixed the problem. If any of you are experiencing the crashes with a 9800 GTX, try vsyncing and see if that may help, or perhaps make them less frequent.
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Has anyone been experiencing much lower then normal framerates in Ulduar the last few days? It started after server resets on Tuesday, our server was one of those that had a 11 hr downtime. The next night, they had a message about 'hardware reconfiguration' for our server again, so I initially chalked it up to that. But, after they did the reconfig, a lot of us were still experiencing the same problem tonight. It's not just ulduar, but that seems to be the most noticeable of the areas (ToC not having much background to 'draw', and other areas not having 25 people clumped together in a raid setting).
I don't have the greatest computer in the world, but places I'd get 20+fps and it'd at least be playable with settings minimized, are now dropping to 5-10 and seriously impeding my performance.
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First my configuration is:
- core2 duo e2200 1,8ghz (I went on the cheap route due to budget limitations and the idea that cheaper quad cores were coming soon)
- 4gb of corsair ddr2 800 (with the possibility of mounting an extra 2gb, but I felt it wouldn't matter while using only wow, vent and firefox.. also factor in my laziness and you get the point :P)
- geforce 9600gt 512mb ram with 1440x900 resolution
- wow settings all maxed out besides shadows (just the setting before ultra)
- windows 7 64bit
I was wondering how big of an advantage I'd have from upgrading to a c2quad 8200-8400 from my current cpu since sometimes I get some fps drops (expecially in 25mans) and I was wondering if it's because I'm cpu limited or it could be that my video card is not good enough for the highest video settings.
PS Am I the only one lusting over future 80-120gb SSDs in the 100€ range? Shortening loading screens would so cool
Doesn't the e2200 run at 2.2 Ghz? Regardless, you should at least try overclocking to ~2.8-3ghz and see how much that helps you first. Also there is no real reason to keep your shadows so high, a lower setting would give you more FPS and look fairly similar.
Agreed on the shadow settings and the potential overclocking. As for a Core 2 Quad - I've never seen a single bigger increase in my WoW performance than when I went from a e6750 (Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz) to a Q9550 (Core 2 Quad 2.83GHz). After upgrading the CPU to a quad core and setting the processor affinity to the appropriate level I couldn't be happier with my rig, and it only cost $200 as opposed to building an entirely new rig.
Originally Posted by JamesVZ
Yeah, I guess if you don't consider pure happiness a flavor, Hitler.
Agreed on the shadow settings and the potential overclocking. As for a Core 2 Quad - I've never seen a single bigger increase in my WoW performance than when I went from a e6750 (Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz) to a Q9550 (Core 2 Quad 2.83GHz). After upgrading the CPU to a quad core and setting the processor affinity to the appropriate level I couldn't be happier with my rig, and it only cost $200 as opposed to building an entirely new rig.
You didn't mention any other specs of your computer. Could you please? It'd give me some food for thought. I have a dual core AMD CPU at 3,2GHz, a GTX 260 896 MB RAM, 4 GB RAM, and I drop even to 25 fps during more intensive fights in 25 man Ulduar, which I find completely iunacceptable for the rig I have. Your post made me wonder if I'd get a big upgrade if I changed to a quad core processor.
Doesn't the e2200 run at 2.2 Ghz? Regardless, you should at least try overclocking to ~2.8-3ghz and see how much that helps you first. Also there is no real reason to keep your shadows so high, a lower setting would give you more FPS and look fairly similar.
Ouch I missed that since I'm writing posts from my very old ibookg4..
Overlocking isn't my thing, I tried it for the heck of it but in the end in my opinion the performance gain is not worth it in term of added work coming from possible crashes and hardware damage; another factor is that my computers must be fully operative for at least 5 years and overclocking doesn't work well with long term endurance..
I'll also lower my shadows, they look pretty but are so demanding that it's not funny. :\
Originally Posted by Goatbert
Agreed on the shadow settings and the potential overclocking. As for a Core 2 Quad - I've never seen a single bigger increase in my WoW performance than when I went from a e6750 (Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz) to a Q9550 (Core 2 Quad 2.83GHz). After upgrading the CPU to a quad core and setting the processor affinity to the appropriate level I couldn't be happier with my rig, and it only cost $200 as opposed to building an entirely new rig.
What do you mean with setting the processor affinity? I've read something about it on tomshw but never tried anything
EDIT: Am I the only one who's really pissed by how WoW hw requests have gone wild over the years in respect to what it offers? I can't really figure out why this game is so heavy on our systems; there isn't any AI to manage (even if sometimes pug people make you think they're badly programmed bots), the graphic and sound are outdated and adding some visual effects shouldn't have such a huge impact on a 2004 game.
This is going to the point that I'm really concerned by cataclysm because I'm not sure I'll be able to enable the new water stuff. People around me are all experiencing this issue as new fights are introduced ("sorry guys, I'll do my best while my usually rather smooth system drops to 5fps on Hodir") and is getting worse and worse.. This whole thread with people asking about using quad cores shouldn't really exist and I really hope blizzard is going to do a lot of work over this issue because by keeping this pace the game will be unplayable for a lot of people.
I don't have a problem with it - you don't need an i7 to run it well, but you do need to either sacrifice the 'eye candy' or have relatively new hardware. And because it is CPU limited it really scales well with the number of cores. As for CPU Affinity, it is a setting in your config.wtf that only matters with 3 or more cores. for a Quad Core you would set your processAffinityMask variable to the value of 15.
If you don't want to mess with the config file, you can also just set it to 4 CPUs in TweakWoW.
I think WoW has scaled very well with the hardware available while keeping the game relatively good looking. Its not Crysis but I don't find it ugly, and I'm happy to not have the ultra-realistic art style a lot of other games use. And yes, some people get left behind but its not like you can't find a decent machine to run WoW for $500 or $600.
Originally Posted by JamesVZ
Yeah, I guess if you don't consider pure happiness a flavor, Hitler.
I don't have a problem with it - you don't need an i7 to run it well, but you do need to either sacrifice the 'eye candy' or have relatively new hardware. And because it is CPU limited it really scales well with the number of cores. As for CPU Affinity, it is a setting in your config.wtf that only matters with 3 or more cores. for a Quad Core you would set your processAffinityMask variable to the value of 15.
WoW is CPU limited yes, but it doesn't scale well with more than 2 cores at all. I upgraded from an E6850 which is a 3GHz dual core, to a Q9650 which is a 3GHz Quad Core and gained pretty much nothing in terms of WoW performance. I still in some Ulduar fights drop to 25-30 FPS with max settings other than shadows.
I don't have a problem with it - you don't need an i7 to run it well, but you do need to either sacrifice the 'eye candy' or have relatively new hardware. And because it is CPU limited it really scales well with the number of cores. As for CPU Affinity, it is a setting in your config.wtf that only matters with 3 or more cores. for a Quad Core you would set your processAffinityMask variable to the value of 15.
If you don't want to mess with the config file, you can also just set it to 4 CPUs in TweakWoW.
I think WoW has scaled very well with the hardware available while keeping the game relatively good looking. Its not Crysis but I don't find it ugly, and I'm happy to not have the ultra-realistic art style a lot of other games use. And yes, some people get left behind but its not like you can't find a decent machine to run WoW for $500 or $600.
I'll be ignorant but my whole point is that since 2004 the cpu and graphic performance of our systems have easilly doubled (if not much more) while the graphic quality of the wow engine hasn't; nonetheless there are people with i7 cpus and bleeding edge graphics who are experiencing 50%+ fps drops on a daily basis. This is unaceptable in my opinion and it's pretty obvious that blizzard went for easy road of "the new hardware will run the game anyway".
I hope that cataclysm will be a good chance for some very good multithreading support and optimization.
I'll be ignorant but my whole point is that since 2004 the cpu and graphic performance of our systems have easilly doubled (if not much more) while the graphic quality of the wow engine hasn't; nonetheless there are people with i7 cpus and bleeding edge graphics who are experiencing 50%+ fps drops on a daily basis. This is unaceptable in my opinion and it's pretty obvious that blizzard went for easy road of "the new hardware will run the game anyway".
I hope that cataclysm will be a good chance for some very good multithreading support and optimization.
Maximum view distance has almost doubled, which leads to almost 4x the potential polygons on-screen with original content. Then realize the content has developed a ton: polygon counts have expanded immensely (look at the detail change in druid forms), there are more graphic-intensive spell effects, environments are massively more detailed... Then multiply that with the fact that screen resolutions have increased from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200, almost double the screen real estate. Shadows have changed from circle textures under your character to some pretty good algorithms, even if you don't select the highest level.
Finally, realize that system bus speed (transferring from system memory to the video card memory and back) is probably the most-stressed component in your system when playing WoW, and PCI-E hasn't seen nearly the increase in performance that CPUs or video cards have seen individually.
While WoW has its problems (i.e. when I built my i7 system with the hard drive install from my previous system, WoW didn't detect the 2-core-to-4-core upgrade-- luckily I knew to switch it myself), think about how many games exist which are still single- or dual- threaded (including most new ones) and realize that they've done a lot more than what's immediately apparent.
Just look at Vezax's model compared to Majordomo Executus and tell me WoW's graphics haven't gotten better.
nonetheless there are people with i7 cpus and bleeding edge graphics who are experiencing 50%+ fps drops on a daily basis. This is unaceptable in my opinion and it's pretty obvious that blizzard went for easy road of "the new hardware will run the game anyway".
I have an i7 @ 3.7ghz and a 4850 (Fairly cheap card) and I maintain ~60fps with most settings maxed (Not shadows or AA) on pretty much all fights. People who can't are doing it wrong.
I've been having random crashes with my 9800 GTX. I've looked absolutely everywhere, and I've found nobody elses having crashes. (albiet random ones, nobody has said anything about consistantly getting random crashes, in random places.) It can literally happen anywhere. My temperatures are fine. I'm using the 190.62 nvidia drivers right now, but I've tried bunches and bunches of them, to no avail. Does anyone have any idea what might be causing it? (I know it's not the video card, because it runs every other game perfectly. I've posted everywhere else, and nobody has been able to crack this case. This is basically directed at anyone else who might use this card.
I have had the same problem in the past with the exact same card. I solved this by installing more fans in my system, and upgrading my power supply to a 700W.
Power supply was the main problem here. I only run one DVDRW, one PCI-E card, one PCI sound card & two HDD's. My previous Power Supply of 550W was more than enough, but the +12v was not giving the PCI-E card enough juice during graphically intense scenes.
I have had the same problem in the past with the exact same card. I solved this by installing more fans in my system, and upgrading my power supply to a 700W.
Power supply was the main problem here. I only run one DVDRW, one PCI-E card, one PCI sound card & two HDD's. My previous Power Supply of 550W was more than enough, but the +12v was not giving the PCI-E card enough juice during graphically intense scenes.
That is a genious idea, and I happen to have a nice 700 watt PSU hanging around. I, too am running 550 watts. However, I'm only running one HDD, and one DVDRW drive. Could still be the problem, though. I love you, alot.
Last edited by Synwyn : 08/27/09 at 6:10 PM.
Reason: mis-post.
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I have had the same problem in the past with the exact same card. I solved this by installing more fans in my system, and upgrading my power supply to a 700W.
Power supply was the main problem here. I only run one DVDRW, one PCI-E card, one PCI sound card & two HDD's. My previous Power Supply of 550W was more than enough, but the +12v was not giving the PCI-E card enough juice during graphically intense scenes.
Hm. How does one tell whether ones PS is being overdrawn? I have a similar problem with my EVGA 9800GTX - I don't crash out of WoW, but instead I will get a split second of graphical corruption, and then my entire system will hang and need to be rebooted. It doesn't seem to be a temperature issue since my temperatures seem fine, it's not predictable and just seems to happen once every 3 days or so, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what zone I'm in or what I'm doing (sometimes in the middle of a boss fight, sometimes running down a corridor after dying, sometimes flying around Icecrown mining, etc.).
Hm. How does one tell whether ones PS is being overdrawn? I have a similar problem with my EVGA 9800GTX - I don't crash out of WoW, but instead I will get a split second of graphical corruption, and then my entire system will hang and need to be rebooted. It doesn't seem to be a temperature issue since my temperatures seem fine, it's not predictable and just seems to happen once every 3 days or so, and it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what zone I'm in or what I'm doing (sometimes in the middle of a boss fight, sometimes running down a corridor after dying, sometimes flying around Icecrown mining, etc.).
I get this sometimes, too. If I catch it early enough, I'm able to alt-tab out, and when I tab back in, everything is fine.
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Its not necessarily the quantity of power but the quality of it. A shitty power supply can cause as many problems as bad RAM, and can make all sorts of different components not function correctly.
Originally Posted by JamesVZ
Yeah, I guess if you don't consider pure happiness a flavor, Hitler.
15" MacBook Pro
2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3 Memory
NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
LG FLATRON W2253TQ (connected through DVI)
Ive been playing wow for a while on this computer without the slightest bit of computer slowdown in even the most extreme of Ulduar/Raid experiences. I recently purchased an LG Flatron w2253TQ 22" monitor to help with overall gameplay experience. The only resolution setting that properly worked for both the new screen and the laptop was 1920x1080, so it is what i selected. During play-time, however, im beginning to notice some problems with computer slowdown. About every 5-10 seconds in-game, my framerate dips to below 10fps for a couple of seconds before returning to normal. This continues throughout the entire course of my playing. Is there anything i can do to fix this?
I have had the same problem in the past with the exact same card. I solved this by installing more fans in my system, and upgrading my power supply to a 700W.
Power supply was the main problem here. I only run one DVDRW, one PCI-E card, one PCI sound card & two HDD's. My previous Power Supply of 550W was more than enough, but the +12v was not giving the PCI-E card enough juice during graphically intense scenes.
Thank you so much for this. Problem solved!
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08/26/09, 6:54 PM
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