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11/03/05, 4:37 PM
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Piston Honda
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Hello everyone :)
I'm new to the forums here, been reading a lot about Druids (Since that's my main class over on Whisperwind) and read a lot of how you guys use Feral/Balance Spec Druids in you're raids, and just how versitile they are..
I was wondering, if you have any Shadow Priest builds, or if any of your priests have tried any build..
I'm preety sure since priests talents haven't been updated, you probably haven't tried it, but I have a 60 druid, and 60 priest, and absolutly love playing my priest because of shadow spec etc. I am however, 7/0/44 on my druid, which is my I don't solo or do DPS very well :). Like you guys said about itemization, I haven't worked on a tank/dps set for my druid, and don't really know if I will. I would love to pull my SP into a few raids, and see how effectlvly I can heal and do DPS..
Was just wondering if you have any suggestions on specs / itemization for a SP build that can both do damage, and healing (while still trying to conserve mana :P)
Thanks all the advice so far (been reading quite a lot), and congrats on being a successful guild :)
-Reach 60 Priest
-Magis 60 Druid
(Not sure if I should post this here, or in the EJ Druid discussion, but I figured it deals with a whole different topic (SP as compared to Fearl/Balance druids, but if you would like to move it, I completly understand.)
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Healing is like music. The magic doesn't lie in the notes, but in the space in between.
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11/03/05, 4:40 PM
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Bald Bull
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We have (or had, Im not totally sure) one priest who was spec'd shadow, but he never used shadowform. He hangs out with the warlocks and we made him an honorary 'lock.
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11/03/05, 4:42 PM
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Piston Honda
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I was thinking of doing some kind of hybrid build (For PvP and raiding)
going maybe like 26 in Disclipline (get inner focus, mental strength, and +15 mana regen)
and then putting the rest in shadow, for silence, and maybe vampric embrace would be nice for trash mobs or something.
the +10% Shadow damage, and Shadow vulnerability would be dearly missed, but I could be almost like a hybrid, can heal when I need to, and can also lay on some DPS..
Just an Idea though
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Healing is like music. The magic doesn't lie in the notes, but in the space in between.
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11/03/05, 4:44 PM
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Bald Bull
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I think that it was agreed that SP's tear through mana too fast to truly be effective.
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11/03/05, 4:46 PM
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Chupa,November 3rd, 2005 @ 4:44PM
I think that it was agreed that SP's tear through mana too fast to truly be effective.
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they should get lifetap
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11/03/05, 4:46 PM
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Soda Popinski
Undead Death Knight
Mal'Ganis
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Yea, the consensus was that a well geared shadow priest could do massive DPS with very low aggro generation and be a useful emergency healer.
IF YOU'RE ALLIANCE.
JoW would completely make or break the build basically.
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11/03/05, 5:02 PM
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SHAZAM
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I'm not sure if Cardrian is full shadow-spec, but I do know he is wand-specced. Honestly, that's all that really matters.
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11/03/05, 5:30 PM
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King Hippo
ex-Elfan
Night Elf Hunter
No WoW Account
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The problem with shadow spec/ balance and the like is that the more they dps the less they can heal later. While shamans/feral druids/paladins (LOL) can go and hit something while they regen mana, you go out of mana (yes even with JoW). I really can't think of a way of making such a thing truly raid effective in a fight that mattered.
Edit: That doesn't mean that you can't raid with shadow talents, or that you can't find a useful balance between shadow for your pvp play style and healing talents. Just that the extra utility in a dps burn fight is unlikely to outweigh the loss in any other fight, and that there is a fundamental reason for that where the solution doesn't lie in itemization.
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11/03/05, 5:31 PM
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Soda Popinski
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I need a fix of shadow weaving
Give it to me baby
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11/03/05, 5:34 PM
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ffffff
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Originally Posted by Elfan,November 3rd, 2005 @ 4:30PM
The problem with shadow spec/ balance and the like is that the more they dps the less they can heal later. While shamnes/feral druids/paladins (LOL) can go and hit something while they regen mana, you go out of mana (yes even with JoW). I really can't think of a way of making such a thing truly raid effective in a fight that mattered.
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Cardrian wands his way up our damage meters. :o
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11/03/05, 5:35 PM
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stop kissing Gurgs ass 24/7
Raylen
Undead Priest
No WoW Account
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Shadow is not viable at all for DPS as a Horde guild. As for Alliance, they can easily get close to 50% of the mana back from Mind Flay with JoW.
If there were a few more "group friendly" options to Shadow (VE doesn't count, k?), such as a Moonkin type Shadowform, I wouldn't be surprised to see more Shadow Priests on raids.
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11/03/05, 7:03 PM
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Piston Honda
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Thanks for all the info :)
JoW would be really beneficial, but like you guys said, they go out of mana too fast :/
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Healing is like music. The magic doesn't lie in the notes, but in the space in between.
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11/03/05, 7:05 PM
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Great Tiger
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*sigh*
Edit:
You really need mana regen to be effective as a shadow priest. For horde, this pretty much meansy you need the 3 piece trancendence bonus, and the meditation disc spec (for +30% mana regen while casting). Without this you don't have a prayer of keeping your mana up, as you're always casting something, whether it's a Dot, mindflay, or my personal favorite, M-M-MINDBLAST!
As such, I was able to get down to 4/5 shadow weaving, which made the warlocks gay for me, but I couldn't go any further into darkness or shadowform.
I'd like to go back eventually, but I might think about that once I find a 5 piece trancendence bonus, or a metric ton of damage gear. :P
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11/04/05, 6:02 AM
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Soda Popinski
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Originally Posted by Cardrian,November 3rd, 2005 @ 5:05PM
As such, I was able to get down to 4/5 shadow weaving, which made the warlocks gay for me, but I couldn't go any further into darkness or shadowform.
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I died a lot. I blamed Card (for weaving) or Zibro (for already being dead). It was a pretty good arrangement, really.
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11/08/05, 3:44 PM
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King Hippo
ex-Elfan
Night Elf Hunter
No WoW Account
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We had priests our last MC clear for fun told a priest to go shadowform and melt faces. They proved to have an impressive ability to pull agro and get themselves killed, sorta like a warlock with less survivability.
The priest not being able to heal himself was wonderful.
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11/08/05, 4:01 PM
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Don Flamenco
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Originally Posted by Elfan,November 8th, 2005 @ 2:44PM
We had priests our last MC clear for fun told a priest to go shadowform and melt faces. They proved to have an impressive ability to pull agro and get themselves killed, sorta like a warlock with less survivability.
The priest not being able to heal himself was wonderful.
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they don't know whent to takes breaks.
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all your base, are belong to us!
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11/08/05, 5:04 PM
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Thoroughly Inebriated
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Any priest who was serious about shadow in pve would have the -aggro talent and have no problems.
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11/08/05, 7:25 PM
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stop kissing Gurgs ass 24/7
Raylen
Undead Priest
No WoW Account
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Pretty much, Wodin. Shadow Affinity and Silent Resolve = 50% less threat on all shadow spells.
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11/09/05, 11:49 AM
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Von Kaiser
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The difference is the fact that Alliance are all able to use Blessings, etc, and get mana back easier, thus making a shadow priest somewhat useful for them. The horde however don't have anything of the sort, so getting mana back for a shadowpriest is quite the challenge.
Mind Flay = Ticks Often = Works with Blessing of GIVEMEMANANOW
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11/09/05, 11:59 AM
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Mike Tyson
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Basically, yeah. That's what our own analysis of the possibility led us to.
It's kind of funny that shadow priests theoretically have the best aggro mitigation of any caster in the game, with Fade to buy them extra time when they fuck up. They theoretically could yield the highest DPS of any caster class with the way threat currently scales.
Shame we don't have infinite mana on the Horde side of things.
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11/09/05, 1:34 PM
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King Hippo
ex-Elfan
Night Elf Hunter
No WoW Account
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Originally Posted by Wodin,November 8th, 2005 @ 4:04PM
Any priest who was serious about shadow in pve would have the -aggro talent and have no problems.
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Honestly I didn't even know those talents existed. Every shadow priest I've talked to about their spec has chosen it for how it fits their pvp playstyle.
But some kind of 21/0/30 spec looks like it could fulfill that desire, remain a good healer, and have pve dps viability as well. Which is a nice amount of versatility for an alliance priest.
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11/09/05, 2:38 PM
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Soda Popinski
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Shouldn't it be "role?"
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If you aren't a goblin, why not?
If you are a goblin you rule
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11/09/05, 4:03 PM
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Sledgehammer Emeritus
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I wondered how long it'd take someone to acknowledge that. I started to edit it myself but figured that would have the opposite effect I desired by leaving it.
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Originally Posted by Lyta
I've been trying to concentrate on studying for my Proof Methods test tomorrow, and all I can think of is your hotness, radiating out from the pixels on my monitor, seared straight into my neurons.
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11/09/05, 4:17 PM
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King Hippo
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Took quite a long time for someone to mention it. I didnt even notice it until it was mentioned ( I am sure that surprises few of you).
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11/09/05, 6:15 PM
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Piston Honda
Night Elf Druid
Mal'Ganis
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I originally thought this would be some sort loot thread. My preconceived notion was furthered when I saw "feral druid" and "shaman" in the same post. But when I took time to read it, I saw that I was wrong.
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