I was wondering if your hunters are full dps specced (with most talents in marksmanship then) or if they are mostly survival ? at the moment on my hunter i am using 0/27/24 , a pretty hybrid build, and I was wondering what would be the best build for a 100% pve hunter?

Most of our hunters are survival up to lightning reflexes. Me, and one or two others are marksmanship for trueshot. That's about the most efficient way to do it, since trueshot doesn't stack.

21/30 MM/Surv and 5/31/15 Hawk/MM/Surv are the most common builds I imagine. I also like 5/34/12.

I'm not an active member but I follow the 21/30 marks/survival build like most of EJ's hunters.

5/31/15 never forget.

I like both 21/30 and 5/31/15, but as we have enough guys with trueshot aura I find myself liking 700+agi too much to give up lightning reflexes and respec 31 marks.

Feign and drink.

A lot of mages don't grasp this concept and think "lol hunters" when they get asked for water by them.

A good hunter should go through more water than a priest.

Feigning and drinking gives up potential 30s you could be spending DPSing. Purely autoshooting and multishotting once you spirit up the mana to do so seems more efficient then giving up doing all DPS for a good 30 seconds. Feign + drink is useful during periods where you're not DPSing anyway for whatever reason, or towards the end of trash pulls, but I don't usually like to do it in boss fights.

I threw together some quick numbers

Dps with nothing in weapon slots: 155.1
Dps with my weapons: 165

arcane - 30.5 dps
multi - 55.2

I have 3200 mana unbuffed so it takes 23 seconds to drink to full, I have 88 spirit unbuffed.

Lets say I'm a lucky hunter and have: Renataki's Soul Conduit, Fang of the Mystics both with +20 spirit.


So 128 spirit and 10 mana/5.

58.15

110 seconds * 155= 17061
So 47.5 mana/tick (spirit)+ 4 mana/tick = 51.5 mana /tick

So it would take me about 124 seconds to regen to full mana. During that time I would do about 19275 damage.

If I drank and then spammed for those 124 seconds I'd do 25350 damage.

So drinking still wins but I think it bears examination for the future, raid buffs would change this but I didn't want to mess with any horde/alliance differences.

If you're just going to be auto-shooting while you regen, you'd want weapons with spirit rather than mp/5. Spirit crushes mp/5 when not under the 5-second rule.

Here is picture of hunter member in my guild. He have staff where spirit +20 to party member within 30 meter and enchant with +22 spirit. During long fight he change to this staff and just do normal mana regeneration, but other hunter laugh because he can be #3 or 4 top DPS, but he drop down below another hunter who use feign death and drink water. But he is usually in party #3 with 3rd rotation priest + 2 mages and paladin so area effect of staff help others so not big deal. No other caster wanted staff so we give him.

I think for hunter is best to use all mana ---> feign death ---> drink water until 90-95% full mana then start fighting... then 2-3 click and he have full mana.. then feign death timer almost reset so he do heavy DPS and use all mana and then feign death again for aggro management...

Also for skill template we assign 2 hunter who participate 99% of raids to go 5/31/15 and other 3-4 hunter go 21/30. The role of 5/31/15 usually is not for top DPS spot, but more support. These members use Goblin cable XL (i am one of them) and provide trueshot aura. High DPS we limit ourselves because we usually have less HP because not too many point in survival. Also if puller of raid then best is 5/31/15 because max hunters mark is useful even though difference is often negligible.

Now if you go battleground very much then best is 21/30 because of versatility u can use in raid and group PvP. If you solo pvp and pve very much, best result can be BM/MM (31/20). It very dependant on situation and play style.

I know very cookie cutter (?), but maximizing DPS, benefit to party, and surviveability (deflection, survivalist) is only options to take if part of a good raiding guild.

That's wierd, our version of that staff gives 20 intellect to the party instead of spirit.

Which staff is that?

Pretty sure that's a Headmaster's Charge. Though the American version gives 20 Int to all party members and I've got no clue what that text reads.

yes stat wise it is 20 intellect, but use function give 20 spirit. I just check american thottbot site and it say use function give 20 intellect. That very strange, because 지능 = spirit, 정신력 = intellect. For us it is 20 spirit on use function.

ohmy god... i feel very stupid. I mix up 2 words spirit and intellect. Yes you are correct. It is other way around. I often get confused translating both languages. I apologize.

This happens to me all the time when I try to translate french. It ends up looking something like this, "What do you mean déception doesn't mean deception?"

false cognates ftl (déception means disappointment if anybody was wondering).

I also mix a lot of words up when I translate into Chinese for some reason.

has anyone tried an extreme build like this? 5/38/8 http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...320000000000000

I've never played a hunter, but what would compel someone to take 2 points in deflection over 1 in deflection and 1 in TSA?

Wyvren Sting is a viable talent option.

RIP Lacerate, never forget.

i don't think 5/5 serpent sting is good opportunity cost option. The improved DOT damage is not as good as putting those points into trueshot aura and spending rest of points in survival tree. However i have seen this hunter build before, which is purely for raid only..

5/33/13

BM
5/5 aspect of the hawk

MM
5/5 efficiency
5/5 hunter's mark
5/5 lethal shots
3/3 hawk eye
1/1 aimed shot
5/5 mortal shots
3/3 barrage
5/5 ranged weapon specialization
1/1 trueshot aura

Survival
3/3 monster slaying
2/3 humanoid slaying
5/5 deflection
3/5 survivalist

however, this build you sacrifice extra HP for a little more MP conservation. Honestly it depends on your play style. If you are lazy hunter who just sit and auto-shoot and not use skill then no point of putting 5/5 efficiency. If you are hunter who always die or your raid put all your hunters in 1 party with no healer then extra HP (survivalist skill) can help greatly.

p.s.
i know nothing about wyvern sting because NO ONE uses on my server. Does wyvern sting work on MC trash monsters? i think it work on big 4 dungeon mobs, but not in MC and BWL?

I don't think any hunters in our guild have it. It works on the Zul'Gurub trash but not in BWL or MC.

In pvp it can be, annoying. I think the biggest problem is that you have to give up scattershot which is a really excellent pvp tool for a hunter.

Scattershot is also nice in that it interrupts mob abilities that you can't interrupt easily other ways.