EJ and the AQ loot tables...

Kerulak · 11/28/05, 3:29 PM

So...has EJ decided if you will be foregoing DKP for the AQ loot? Or do you plan to itemize the drops from the Temple (I assume you'll skip the ruins 20 man drops) and add to your pricelist?

♦ Praetorian · 11/28/05, 3:35 PM

Why would we forego DKP? What would we do, /random for the loot?

(And yes, we only use our JP system for 40-man events.)

Chupa · 11/28/05, 3:54 PM

Well I imagine he wants to know what we are doing with the token-system loot.

I think there are a lot of EJ members wondering the same thing, though :)

diospadre · 11/28/05, 5:02 PM

We're using our DKP system but working some weird stuff in to accomodate for classes that have to spend more points on gearing up or have seen fewer drops than other classes historically.

Kerulak · 11/28/05, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by Praetorian,November 28th, 2005 @ 3:35PM

Why would we forego DKP? What would we do, /random for the loot?

(And yes, we only use our JP system for 40-man events.)

Er, well...isn't that what you do in ZG?

Remember, there's a 20 and a 40 here we are talking about. My assumption was:

20 : no dkp
40 : new items/prices added to the list.

Ok so yes, you answered my question. Sounds like you are adding prices to the list for the 40-man AQ stuff. Which is good.

• Double-Neg · 11/28/05, 5:57 PM

but the 40 man shit is epic loots, there will be DKP for the token style epic shit.

Falcon24 · 11/28/05, 6:04 PM

The token system confuses me too.

EDIT: WTF @ Moz, didn't know this was supposed to be clandestine secret information? I mean, I was pretty sure we had a "Jerk Points System Breakdown" topic stickied up there.

• moz · 11/28/05, 6:05 PM

How about we leave our proposals on how to handle them off the public forums for now? I think that's a cool idea.

EDIT: Jerk Points System breakdown is actually final and in effect.

Falcon24 · 11/28/05, 6:17 PM

Well, clearly, if both people not in our guild and people in our guild are curious as to how we're handling it, I think we need to start discussing it on the private forums. Then I can post here without nasty remarks. :angry:

• Double-Neg · 11/28/05, 6:23 PM

Well Moz, really this isn't just a problem to our guild, many other guilds are facing this problem and wondering what to do about it. Although, I don't think this is the thread to brainstorm. I do think that guilds that have looked to us for MC and BWL prices will be turning towards us to see how we will work this, since the problem of some classes having a terrible average points compared to others isn't a problem confined to just EJ.

Also about all the AQ normal epic drop values, you might have noticed that our BWL values haven't surfaced on this forum until a week ago or so. For everything beyond MC, we have encouraged guilds to discuss pricing within themselves. What is fair to us, might not be so fair in th eyes of some of your guildmates, that is why we have many large threads internally about pricing on items that have come and are coming.

So while we aren't sure what we will be doing with the token system, any pubbie people are more than welcome to post thier thoughts on the matter.

• moz · 11/28/05, 6:26 PM

I think there was some miscommunication with my initial post. What I was merely stating is that it's hard to offer a solution or ideas, when we ourselves haven't really decided on a clear-cut way to handle it and probably need more brainstorming on our end. Ideas from other guilds/individuals is more than welcome however.

• Double-Neg · 11/28/05, 6:39 PM

It's ok Moz I still love you, you golden oldie.

hamlet_the_lesser · 11/28/05, 6:54 PM

Originally Posted by Double-Neg,November 28th, 2005 @ 6:39PM

It's ok Moz I still love you, you golden oldie.

Golden oldie isnt the half of it. I thought my dad was out of place(born in 1953) didnt they tell ya moz that people over the age of 40 arent suppose to play video games? :D
Oh and since I am gonna try not to make this a worthless post. I think deciding on how to charge for instances will be very difficult until people get a better handle on what the drops are going to be like. If the loot in the 20 man AQ is all superior to MC wouldnt it make sense to charge for it? That makes sense to me atleast.

♦ Praetorian · 11/28/05, 7:15 PM

Maybe for some guilds.

For us, we have 3+ separate groups that do 20-man raids at different times of the day, often including people who aren't in EJ to flesh out those runs. We leave it up to the leaders of those 20-man runs to handle how they are going to handle loot distribution on their runs.

It's not about the quality of the loot, it's about how it's obtained. We're only using points for Onyxia, MC, BWL, AQ40, and world bosses. Anything beyond that is far more hassle than it's worth.

decimus · 11/28/05, 11:57 PM

I'd have to agree that with a guild as large as EJ (or even larger), trying to do DKP for the twenty man instances would be a real inconvenience.

If the individual leaders want to use DKP, they can be my guest, just so long as it doesn't tax my brain power. (Speaking as if I had a leadership posistion, which I unfortunately do not)