Well I am sure you get these kind of questions or requests all the time, my guild is currently stuck at the Razorgore encounter, we down Ragnaros pretty easily, and Molten Core is pretty much a breeze with the occasional, “Oh my God, who pulled those Giants!” wipe to keep things interesting.

Our best attempt to date was 4 eggs before all hell breaks loose and everyone is dead. We use the four corners strategy, meaning we break the raid into 4 groups of two parties. We single target kill the mages and legionnaires, mages first of course, and try to stay ahead of the zerg as much as possible. Now currently I think this strategy is sound, we pretty much stole it from Goon Squad, and they have had success with it. On a side note we have the hunters kite the dragonkin and they seem to be pretty successful with that.

Before we were doing the “Shaman Highway” with Earthbind Totems, but we found that strategy did not work for us, we couldn’t keep the Shaman up without the healers getting aggro and dying. But we have some members clamoring that this strategy is the easier of the two strategies. Personally I am not really sure which is easier, other then I think it all comes down to execution and everyone doing exactly what they need to be doing to buy time till “Phase 2”.

My only concerns are with the current strategy that there is no real way to know if the other corners are doing everything they can to keep the mobs in their corners, because overflow getting to the controller or to another group, the lesser of two evils, is what I think is currently hampering our success. Or maybe we are taking too long breaking the eggs with Razorgore but I have not really timed our attempts, what is the average length for breaking eggs, is there a certain time we should shoot for, I figure we can’t Control the corner forever.

I guess I am just looking for any insights, maybe to bounce some ideas on what we may be missing or if we are even on the right track. Thanks in advance, I hope that all made sense.

My guild does it pretty much like you described, killing all orcs and keeping the dragonkin busy. We originally tried the earthbind-kiting technique, but we were never really close to succeeding that way.

We split up the raid and kill orcs now. Both better gear and getting more familiar with this approach has helped us so that we now don't really have any trouble keeping the spawns under control. On our first attempts though we used mass fears when we had about 4-5 eggs left since that was about the time the corners started breaking down. We use warlocks, druid and hunters to fear/sleep/kite the dragonkin.

I think the Kill then Kite strategy is probably what we will end up doing, and have actually tried now that I recall.

I think the main cause of our wipes is that a given corner either fails to contain all thir mobs or collapses too soon under the strain and they inevitably cascade to another group who gets overwhelmed and collapses. We also have a problem with the mobs getting to the controller, which is of a course a bad thing.

I do agree this is a tough fight, thanks for the advice.

Shit that can go wrong and how to solve it from my experience:

-Former controllers have a deathgrip-like agro hold on the mobs that were spawned at the time. Solution: our second controller is a warrior (our guild leader) with piercing howl, he keeps them real nice and busy, and paths them up the stairs to jump off so they get a bit confused.

-Priests getting alpha'd because of heal agro early on. Solution: we try to kite in a uniform direction (counter clockwise) so that all the mobs are going in the same direction, if that's the case they are bound to get slowed by a warrior shout, or a hunter trap, or whatever. Renews and shields can save lives and can be cast while kiting, rock on.

-Things get crazy when the last egg goes down. Solution: Have whoever you want tanking in 'primary' position control last, they will have agro they can't lose. Offtank can fight for it after that (try and get a few sunders in while hes on the way to the MT so he doesnt go for a healer after first conflag)

There's more stuff but i have class to go to >.<

We do a mixture of the 4 corners and the "Shaman highway" strategy. We split off into the corners and kill all the mages. If a lego pops out, a warrior tanks it in his corner but nobody DPSes. Once the warrior gets 2-3 Legos (depending on how fast the pop out.) They start kiting with piercing howl and 4 Shammies break down into the 4 corners in the middle of the room. The others in the group stay where they are at and kill the mages.

Hunters get the first dragonkins that come out, then the druids get their permanent sleep targets, the remaining ones hopefully get slept by Razorgore.

So by the end we have warriors kiting, shammies stationary at their corners dropping totems/healing when absolutely necessary, groups of priests/mages/rogues killing the mages in the corners, hunters kiting dragonkin, and druids sleeping their kin. Nifty stopwatches and the occassional speed pot are encouraged.

We have one tank in all FR (the one that controls the orb) and I go in with my full hp/def gear. I pop a rage pot, stand on the opposite side of the FR tank, he eats conflag, I start tanking his melee. Repeat until purplez.

Razor boss in BWL is fairly easy if you have 4-5 good hunters and the fear is done well. At first our druids used to sleep the dragonkin, but now we don't even bother. We just kite with all hunters feigning death and placing slowing ice trap near 4 corners of stairs. In order for hunters to successfully feign death is to run towards the back (like place where you begin engage fight) and immediately lay down ice trap. If hunter is quick, then he will not be combat locked and the ice trap will be successful.

for mages, we have 2 parties called "special forces". 3 rogues, 1 ice mage, and 1 paladin or druid in each party. It is very important for good heal aggro management and rogues need individual bandage and manage aggro with skills also. These rogues must have great health potions, vegetables from felwood, and bandages which our guild supply for them (only potions). Of course whoever is alive and not busy just help also, but absolutely NO warriors on mages.

The hunters are what makes razor boss figth easy for us. But important is kite must be in same direction or everyone just get confused. Also fear is only used near end at around last 3-4 eggs for us if too many raid members dead. Usually hunter does dual job of ice trap + hunter's mark (occassional scattershot on mobs that goto healers).

Most important is to manage heal aggro. Please try no big heals, yet keep warriors alive. No warriors = gameover.

I think our strategy work good for our raid makeup and equipment. Maybe 75% is full Molten Core Equipment and 10% is mostly BWL equipment. Also, remember to not panic during fight. It's very crazy and can make you dizzy so before fight smoke a cigarette (if you are smoker) and grab a beer or whiskey. Razor is like riding a bike, once you learn you never really forget... unless you are raid that constantly have different people come.

Hongmeister you are officially a hero.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Razorgore gets near infinte aggro on you and all aggro on Razor transfers to you when you break. I just save the last one in a corner somewhere and vanish before he can run over spamming conflag. Only works if you don't use fireball volley, though.

Hongmeister gives the best advice.

Well we got all the eggs down now, just the transition to tanking and keeping them alive that is the current "issue". I find thus far that being a rogue in this encounter once the eggs are down isn't all that great.

Unless I am doing something wrong, I just hang back and shoot my crossbow while the tanks fight for aggro.

Yeah we had him down to 54% at one point then one of the tanks died "mysteriously" and we lost about half the healers before another tank grabbed aggro.

We actually switch controllers right at the end so a warrior, one of the MTs, picks up the control for the last few eggs.

Razorgore will be down soon, thanks for the help.