Easy Question I haven't been able to track down.


Do Invulnerability potions dump all your aggro or is ist just like a temporary thing like ice block?

Temporary.

It's Blessing of Protection in liquid forum.

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How about Invisiblity Pots, will that have the same effect as a Invinsibility pot if said person is far awawy?

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would be cool to be able to disapear in pvp :).

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Invisibility trinket :o

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Oh yeeeeaaaaah...heheheheheh.

Word to the wise, it's not that hot.

even though my shaman is alot more powerful than my rogue alt(since he doesnt have many purples), i find my rogue a much more capable pvp'er in non-group settings because of stealth.

low on health? vanish-sprint
getting chased by 5 people? stealth-sprint
about to kill 2 people? improved sap-ambush
timers are down? preparation


yeah, my shaman can tear it up pretty good, but when the odds are stacked against him, he'll die 9 times out of 10 and maybe bring down one or two alliance with him. my rogue can get triple and quadruple teamed and if i'm smart i can get out of the situation about 7 times out of 10 and mount a brand new counter attack without the corpse run.

This is all assuming that you have the gear to pull it off, and when you are against multiple people, that non of them are a class that can do something about your disorients and stuns. Sap a mage? Hope he's not frost and iceblocks out of your sap. One of those people a hunter? Then you are basically screwed if he knows anything about PVP.

All in all though, we are very nice in PVP, it's been stated over and over and over before that we can simply "run away" from a fight. Problem being that once someone knows you are there, you either fight and die, try to reset the encounter hoping the person does not knock you out of stealth, or run the hell away. If you try to run then that's fine, but there are a lot of things that can slow you down and flatout stop you period.

All I really saying is that yeah, Rogues are great in PVP...sometimes. You -need- the gear at 60 to be worth a damn sometimes. Sap and Blind are freaking awesome, I agree, I love it to death, but not being specced right for the encounter, being out-geared, and/or other crap that happens, it can turn to crap rather quickly. That's the same with about everyone though, so whatever.

In the end, rogues are really fun to play, but after months and months of playing them, and going to MC and sitting through the hours or boredom is rather dull in the end, and unbecoming. Rogues are awesome though, and I won't ever get rid of mine.

I hate all forms of disorients, stuns, and crowd controls in PvP. At least if taunt worked in PvP the person could still attack and do something.

I really do not know why Taunt does NOT work in PVP, I mean hell, they could just use the same mechanics as me casting Distract right under me. What would the big difference be? Force them to target you?

It is dependant on spec and the actual talent of the rogue. Some people think that stunlock is all about hitting 2 buttons and winning period, but guess what, it's not that simple. I have successfully locked literally everyone on our server that is in full T2 epics or is/was HWL for any length of time. I have one epic item that is not that great (ShiftingCloak) and full ShadowCrap. To rogues, gear is not part of the equation as much as other classes.

I have stunlocked every class in the game to death without taking any damage what-so-ever, it's totally possible. Problem being, none of the stuns can be resisted for this to work. KidneyShot can not miss, and Blind can not be parried. Truthfully, the only people that are almost impossible to stunlock are ProtSpecced Warriors with any type of gear to get their Defense to about 400, as it's a pain in the ass to hit them in general.

Blind gets parried almost 100% of the time, and if you are not specced into ImpExposeArmor it's hard to hit them for much of anything. On them you need to blow just about everything you have in your possession just to kill them if you are not in some seriously nice gear. I can make a write-up about how you SHOULD fight every class, but that would just be reciting old news.

In the end, against any melee class, crippling poison is a must, and if you have the ability to dead-zone kite them with ImpRupture it ends up being better then any stunlock you could ever imagine. As it's impossible to do anything against it and makes your opponent feel totally powerless against you.

I have deadzone kited ONE person in my entire PVP experience but I have locked someone for the entire fight TONS more times. If anyone ever complains about stuns and disorients ask them how we're suppose to win a fight, go toe-to-toe with you? That's funny. Let that hunter kite us all over the place, that's funny too. Let that mage run around PoMing you to death? Cute. It's proper use of class abilities plain and simple, no complaining please.

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In the end it comes down to 1 single variable, the persons Skill to use the classes ablilities to their fullest.

If you would like, I could explain how the different specs work in PVP for you :D

only time I every get a rogue is when I get the jump on them. If they are able to start their stunlocking I am screwed. I try to get range on them but a good stunlocker keeps me close till I am dead. One thing I have found is work on your kiting. I use a earthshaker for my pvp since I am a healbot and it works well for farming. When the proc goes off I can get a swing in there and get distance again. I also keep flameshock on them. But I suck at pvp so listening to me may be a bad thing.

proper stunlocking requires use of alot of timered abilities and some not too cheap reagents. i never understood why a rogue would blind or vanish in a duel, but i'm a tightwad when it comes to reagents.

the other thing is that gear plays a small role in the shaman vs rogue fight. yeah, if the rogue has crap for weapons, you'll have more of a chance to heal, if you have more stam, you wont die as fast either, but if you can pop him out of stealth, you'll almost always win as a shaman, and if he burns every timer ability that helps him, he will probably win.

also, if you are fighting a stunlock rogue, you want to always have a shield on, always heal yourself and toss frost shock and totems in between. its rediculously mana inefficient and lazy, but it works pretty well. i wouldnt worry about melee'ing since you should be trying to kite him. that means drop poison totem to remove crippling poison, searing totem rank 1 to annoy him, or magma totem if he's stealthed, and earthbind of course.

running from a rogue may seem dumb since they can backstab, but if you are wearing a shield, they'd be dumb to be using daggers on you, and if you arent facing them, they cant gouge you.

shields are neccessary to fight rogues, at least on their opening salvo of attacks, as long as you are stunlocked, keep the shield on and try to heal, once you get to full health(assuming you are still alive, which is very probable if you have a decent shield) and the rogue cant stunlock as much, switch to your earthshaker, then switch to your shield to heal when neccessary.

only time I pvp is when I am farming :P. Notice that hardcore sergeant. Sometimes I will toss my shield on but I will remember to toss it on more often. I usually die though so it really doesnt matter. As I said before I suck at pvp.

Yeah, fighting a rogue as a shaman with a 2h is suicidal unless they are really, really bad.

I generally do pretty well against rogues, but a full-epics orc shaman has got to be one of the toughest matchups in the game against a rogue. If I get lucky with my stun resists, they have no chance. If not, then usually it's a matter of using an NS heal as soon as the stun chain ends, getting poison cleansing and earthbind down ASAP, and then using a cycle of flame shock, earthbind, and frost shock to kite them while preventing them from vanishing.

There's also the comedy option of ZHC + Z'G shaman trinket for 750pt lightning shield charges. :D