3.1 Achievement changes - Page 2

Duilliath · 02/25/09, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Astrik

I was wondering this myself. Looking at last years dates - Easter was March 23rd and Noble Garden coincided with that. Easter this year is April 12th which might be doable for them, but I would be surprised to see them tie themselves to a hard date like that.

Far as I remember, it's not the first time they put a Holiday Event on the PTR tied into a bigger patch. I seriously doubt we can make anymore of it than that Noble Garden is coming at that time.

zoombini · 02/25/09, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cuer

The in-game calendar on the PTR lists Noblegarden as starting on April 12, and running for a week; the live version calendar just has it for that one day. So they are presumably planning on making these changes this year, for all the achievements to be available. Whether that means they have to patch in 3.1 by April 7 at the latest, or they're already planning on another intermediate patch that just has small changes like these achievement changes, only Blizzard knows.

I'm almost positive that the revamped Brewfest in '07 was on the PTR but was patched in before the patch that was on the PTR.

Hopefully that sentence isn't too hard to parse . . . .

Mugsley · 02/25/09, 1:53 PM

Yay. I'm so excited.....

So much for my "deep-breath" holiday before Children's Week. I'm trying to decide whether it'll be better to slam my nuts repeatedly in my car door or fly to CA and kick the devs in the nuts. It's a toss-up.

At least they are extending the holiday beyond one day for the extra work. Are there any changes to, say, Brew of the Month achievement, yet? Any other holiday Achievement changes?

Seratha · 02/25/09, 2:10 PM

It's a retroactive change, but Be Mine! was changed to only require six of the eight candies in order to complete it. The rationale was that it wasn't common enough for people to get all eight candies. The change didn't show up in the diff between the achievements from live to PTR, so the text must not have been updated, while the actual conditions had been.

farlin · 02/25/09, 5:12 PM

I hope blizzard comments on if you need both bloodsail and steamwheedle at honored/exalted at the same time or not. Grinding up the bloodsail to honored right now and figure ill work on doing the free knot quest to repair steamwheedle until I know for sure.

Also I dont think bloodsail can be retro-ed since the hat is friendly and the feat says honored, but if someone knows if there is something at honored that can retro you, would be nice to know.

Falk · 02/26/09, 5:07 AM

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Insane is actually working on the PTR, so not a prank.

Darkmoon Faire should be (relatively) a joke now thanks largely to Nobles decks. It's not uncommon to see Chaos and Undeath decks dropping to sub-300g. The difficulty of doing it will vary tremendously from server to server though depending on how many people are gunning for it, since the supply is pretty much a static function of time. (It's not cost-effective in the least to herb up your own decks)

E: Oops, hat is friendly, you're right. Removed that part.

4LV · 02/26/09, 8:49 AM

According to this picture "Love is in the Air" had an additional change to it:

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I'm not sure it was worth "fixing" the "Be Mine!" achievement if they are balancing it up with adding "Lovely Luck" to the meta.

Rasputin · 02/26/09, 10:04 AM

Everyone I saw in gchat during the event complained about how many dresses they got, so I just assumed based on those 30-40 samples that the dress droprate had been significantly upped. I know I got at least 10 during the course of getting enough candy bags to get Be Mine. Regardless, it would still be a bad change to alter the meta achievement after the fact when people no longer have an option to work on it.

Rhaegal · 02/26/09, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Rasputin

Everyone I saw in gchat during the event complained about how many dresses they got, so I just assumed based on those 30-40 samples that the dress droprate had been significantly upped. I know I got at least 10 during the course of getting enough candy bags to get Be Mine. Regardless, it would still be a bad change to alter the meta achievement after the fact when people no longer have an option to work on it.

Agreed. Though I got 5 dresses in 7 hours on an alt I was using to try to get rockets and petals for my main, I never actually got a dress on my main. Once I'd finished the achievements that were required for the meta (including 8/8 Be Mine), I stopped being anal about it and just casually hopped on and tried for a dress when I wasn't doing anything else. Retroactively requiring the dress would be kind of a dick move. Of course, it probably won't matter in terms of getting my drake due to the Brew of the Month thing, but it's one more holiday to deal with next year that I'm sure a lot of people thought they were finished with.

The Noble Garden achievements are great though, especially Shake Your Bunny-Maker, which makes me laugh every time I think about it.

Console · 02/26/09, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by farlin

Also I dont think bloodsail can be retro-ed since the hat is friendly and the feat says honored, but if someone knows if there is something at honored that can retro you, would be nice to know.

The fact that you have to be honored with bloodsail is rather interesting; there is no item or quest that can be obtained at honored and grinding friendly to honored takes no more than an hour at most. So what is the point in asking players to get honored?

I believe it's because gaining honored with bloodsail will ensure that your goblin rep will be 0/36000. This means to have honored bloodsail you’ll then have to grind goblin rep from 0/36000 hated to at least 1/ 1000 exalted.

Because of the requirement for honored instead of friendly, I believe that you’ll need bloodsail and goblin rep at the same time in order to qualify for the achievement. For those that don’t know (most if not all probably do) this is achieved via the quest “Free Knot!” which is obtained from within Dire Maul North.

Thromdul · 02/26/09, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Seratha

It's a retroactive change, but Be Mine! was changed to only require six of the eight candies in order to complete it. The rationale was that it wasn't common enough for people to get all eight candies. The change didn't show up in the diff between the achievements from live to PTR, so the text must not have been updated, while the actual conditions had been.

I can confirm that the text did not change but the requirements did. I only have 7 of the 8 candies and I have the achievement credit on the PTR along with the Love Fool title since that last damn candy was the only thing I didn't get.

Lileith · 02/26/09, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Console

Because of the requirement for honored instead of friendly, I believe that you’ll need bloodsail and goblin rep at the same time in order to qualify for the achievement. For those that don’t know (most if not all probably do) this is achieved via the quest “Free Knot!” which is obtained from within Dire Maul North.

I would advice to try the pirate near ratched instead (at least for the first half of the grind) now that they give full reputation (5) and can be farmed easily with a /target /cast Icelance/Whatever macro while watching TV.

Falk · 02/26/09, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Console

Because of the requirement for honored instead of friendly, I believe that you’ll need bloodsail and goblin rep at the same time in order to qualify for the achievement.

You can't know this for certain one way or the other, and it's going to be practically impossible to test this (FoS doesn't show up till you have full completion, so you can't see which sub-criteria are green/gray)

Following achievement logic so far though, if it had required both simultaneously, they'd appear as a single criteria stating x AND y, rather than two seperate lines. There doesn't exist any single other achievement sub-criteria (other than the non-intuitive exalted count one, but that's a number rather than an incomplete/complete flag criteria) that 'unflags' when you lose the requirement.

I'm not saying that's proof that it works this way, but design logic states that it -should-. It'd be safest to wait for a blue comment on this.

XooleX · 02/26/09, 12:35 PM

I expect it's just needing the reps at different times, not at the same time. Compared to the Hero of Shattrath feat of strength where you need exalted aldor and scryer the text was the exact same, but certainly didn't require to have both at the same time.
I had also always thought Free Knot! was unintended that it didn't take away Bloodsail rep. I would not be surprised if the devs decided to go back and change it so you do lose bloodsail when you do the quest after they add the feat of strength.

Falk · 02/26/09, 12:41 PM

Considering a bunch of people are grinding 20999/21000 Bloodsail and that messing with Free Knot now would probably literally make them unsubscribe (plus all the other negative vibes that'd spiderweb out from that), I highly, highly doubt it.