Thromdul

I can confirm that the text did not change but the requirements did. I only have 7 of the 8 candies and I have the achievement credit on the PTR along with the Love Fool title since that last damn candy was the only thing I didn't get.

 

Lileith

I would advice to try the pirate near ratched instead (at least for the first half of the grind) now that they give full reputation (5) and can be farmed easily with a /target /cast Icelance/Whatever macro while watching TV.

 

• Falk

You can't know this for certain one way or the other, and it's going to be practically impossible to test this (FoS doesn't show up till you have full completion, so you can't see which sub-criteria are green/gray)

Following achievement logic so far though, if it had required both simultaneously, they'd appear as a single criteria stating x AND y, rather than two seperate lines. There doesn't exist any single other achievement sub-criteria (other than the non-intuitive exalted count one, but that's a number rather than an incomplete/complete flag criteria) that 'unflags' when you lose the requirement.

I'm not saying that's proof that it works this way, but design logic states that it -should-. It'd be safest to wait for a blue comment on this.

 

XooleX

I expect it's just needing the reps at different times, not at the same time. Compared to the Hero of Shattrath feat of strength where you need exalted aldor and scryer the text was the exact same, but certainly didn't require to have both at the same time.
I had also always thought Free Knot! was unintended that it didn't take away Bloodsail rep. I would not be surprised if the devs decided to go back and change it so you do lose bloodsail when you do the quest after they add the feat of strength.

 

• Falk

Considering a bunch of people are grinding 20999/21000 Bloodsail and that messing with Free Knot now would probably literally make them unsubscribe (plus all the other negative vibes that'd spiderweb out from that), I highly, highly doubt it.

 

Bregonn

Honestly, why would they? All these factions are just artifacts from a time when they didn't know what they wanted or could do with factions. The title of the FoS says exactly what the developers think of the people pursueing it. I found it extremely fitting.

On a sidenote, I wouldn't be suprised if it's pulled before it goes live, just like the titles for the server firsts and the kill a bazillion of x mob one.

Edit (in response to Falk): I was responding mostly to Xoolex. There is no reason for them to change how the factions work because they are irrelevant. The FoS is obviously there to throw a boon to the people grinding them regardless, and to make a bit of fun of them and/or to make them think about what they are doing.

 

• Falk

Why would they? it's basically a bunch of faction that don't currently have their own achievement. Remaining are Centaur clans and Syndicate (both of which are kinda irrelevant) and Thorium Brotherhood.

Yeah, it'd promote 'unhealthy playstyles', but that's why it's a FoS and not an achievement. I'm well aware the realm first titles are also FoS, but that's besides the point. Those, and poorly thought out achievement-event interaction like Valentines promotes staying up for days on end clicking internet baddies (or guards, in the case of Valentines) whereas you can string out grinding this over the course of months, and basically do it at your own pacing. I know I got DMF exalted over the course of 10 months.

E@Below: Good point, I may try tanking goblins slightly below exalted on Live, recopying over then tanking Bloodsail below honored just to see if it's sticky.

 

◊ nathanbp

I'm fairly sure that FoS not showing up until you have full completion is done by the Blizzard UI and not the game, so achievement mods may be able to show completeness of sub-criteria.

 

Bodhidharma

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Upcoming Glory of the Raider Reward Changes
Get your Plagued Proto-Drake and Black Proto-Drake while you can. Patch 3.1 will be removing the rewards for “Glory of the Raider” and “Heroic: Glory of the Raider”.

 

Ishammael

Hi,

Could you provide a source or screenshot proving that statement?

Thank you,
Ish

 

Axl_Stukov

I'd think the blue post he just linked counts as a source.

 

Ishammael

My apologies. I did not realize that the first line was a link.

Thank you!

 

Rhaegal

I'm a little disappointed, but not terribly surprised. I was hoping to finish up the 8-man achievements for the Plagued Proto on a non-raid night post 3.1, because I'm not willing to make two people sit out of the raid just so a few of us can have a shiny, but ultimately useless, mount. (That, and our guild may not meet the DPS requirement for You Don't Have an Eternity between now and 3.1, but that's our fault and a perfectly good reason not to qualify for the reward.) Still, I like the philosophy behind taking out special rewards for content when that content becomes obsolete, so I'm glad they're continuing it. (Of course, if Ulduar10 loot is the same quality as Naxx25 loot, I don't necessarily agree that Naxx10 achievement rewards should be available to people in Naxx25 loot and not people in Ulduar10 loot, but that's another argument entirely.)

Here's hoping the meta achievements for the two new drakes don't require undermanning content.

[edit] Blizzard definitely has plenty of opportunity to be creative with raiding achievements in brand new content. The undermanning achievements could easily have just been an artifact of Naxx being recycled content. Part of my reason for hoping there won't be undermanning achievements for Ulduar (or at least, if they are, they won't be required for the meta) is that the new ones would not just be more fair for everyone in the raid, but they would also be more fun!

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

4LV

I completely agree with Rhaegal.

I think it is good that they continue this trend of removing achievement rewards from "obsolete" content, however IF they are to do that, I think Blizzard should discontinue the use of "less than maximum raid number" achievements. For instance the 20man Naxxramas Achievement isn't hard in itself, the hard part about it is leaving five of your friends on the sideline. Apart from that it's all good.

 

Nacht

Seems to me like it'd be easy enough for them to tack on an additional requirement to the raid achievements that your whole raid must be wearing item level 226 gear or less. That'll prevent the outgearing the content issue. May as well add a requirement that you must be level 80 or lower in order to plan for the future.

 

RootBreaker

Not if the default Ulduar-25 loot is 226.

My Best in Slot gear from pre-Ulduar raids is at most half ilvl 226 items, and that's probably high, since there are more cloth 226 items than any other armor type.

Upgrading to full 226 would be a significant upgrade, especially since they've hinted that Ulduar gear will be better itemized than naxx gear.

 

Nacht

Well considering the 10 man achievements can already be done with 226 gear (only a few items, granted, but generally the most important ones like weapons), even though you can't acquire 226 gear there. I don't think it would be that huge of a difference, to be honest. I don't care one way or the other what they do, either. I just figure giving those folks that reroll toons a chance to fairly legitimately still make the achievement and reward for it means the game maintains replay value, which is good for both players and Blizzard.

 

Douglas

I like the idea of two different achievements, with which one you get depending on various variables.

Is anyone in the group 81st level? Has anyone in the group participated in a kill of any Ulduar (or later) bosses, as recorded in the achievements for those instances? Is anyone in the group of the 11th character class that we don't know about yet? Then no mount.

Heh, I guess what I'm talking about is a phased achievement system, in a way.

But thinking it through, you'd have to perform those tests for each and every one of the achievements that makes up the meta-achievement, and even so, any new Valor gear or BoE gear or enchants or flasks or foods or gear from new professions could still slip through. So... I guess while it'd be nice, it's not something that's really reasonable to expect.

 

Ultimate

I'm shocked about the change. Not that they are removing, but the fact that it was stated by blizzard that sarth+3 wasn't even meant to be done until Ulduar geared is kind of redundant now.

 

Renew

Sarth+3 gives 310 mounts?

They are removing the Plagued and Black Drakes... 310% flyers.

Confidence is not Arrogance.

 

SentinelBorg

Yes, especially for pure 10 man guilds, this must really suck. In my opinion, they should remove the mounts, but with 3.2, not with 3.1. Ulduar gear sure will help people to do the achiviements, but there are enough, that require different things then gear.

 

Rhaegal

The Sarth+3 reference is because Sarth+3 is required for the Glory of the Raider achievements, not because they're getting rid of the +3 drop drake. Thus, a guild would have to have completed Sarth+3 before 3.1 to have access to the 310% mounts.

Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!

 

glowacks

"Wasn't meant" is not the same as "not expecting even the top guilds to be able to do it". It's by far the hardest content in the game right now, and the vast majority of people in the game are both not geared to do it and wouldn't have the ability to do it if they were. Sounds very much like like the Amani Warbear. The Glory of the Raider achievements are meant to be able to show that you are absolutely the very best of the game; they were "not meant" to be able for anyone to do. While 10 man guilds for the most part are unable to get all these achievements since it basically requires 25-man gear to beat 10-man Sarth+3, so what? The content will still be there, they just won't be able to ride a slightly different mount. As long as they put in 310 mounts that aren't exclusive to a small portion of the players by design (as they indicated they would, I think), it isn't a problem. Just like the Amani Warbear, those proto-drakes were meant as status symbols.

 

Alerian

It's intended, there are blue posts about it on your given post tracker.

 

Gort

Honestly, I can't agree. If an achievement/reward is put in based on 10-man content, then tune it to be achievable with solely 10-man content rewards, at the current/appropriate tier. That's the entire POINT. It's no bloody good putting in a 10-man progression, 10-man achievements, titles, rewards for guilds only doing 10-mans if the only people able to get the shiny that says "I'm the best 10 man raider!" are doing 25s to gear up for it eh?