I don't want to see another Gonna Go When the Volcano Blows achievement that's most easily completed by dying as fast as possible. That's 1 of 2 that I'm missing right now for Glory of the Raider and it's near impossible to complete when I'm relied upon for 3 drake Sartharion (so I can't just go die in a pug). The DPS requirement for 10 man 3 drakes is way too high for me to worry about dodging an attack that's not even high damage until after the burn phase is nearly finished.

1)Something i noticed immediately in the Player vs Player panel is that the Arena Master achievement (2200 personal rating in all the brackets, hot streak, hot hot streak etc etc)is again* required for the Battlemaster title/achievement.

*Again, because if i recall correctly it was already needed when the achievements came out in the beta, Tigole then posted that they would remove the Arena Master achievement as requirement for the Battlemaster title.

2)Hot Hot Hot Streak(win ten ranked match in a row at 2000+ personal rating/reward:flawless victor title) isn't here anymore, it is like if they removed it from the game.

3)There is a new panel under "World Events" called Darkmoon Faire. What should we expect?

4)There is a new panel under "World Events" called Argent Tournament, the achievements are already here but they aren't working.

Ot: About "The insane", the only way to farm Raventhold reputation is to kill the syndicate npcs in Hillsbrad Foothills if you aren't a rogue, right?

I only have the Dedicated Few because one night we had 45 people log on, so we arranged an achievement raid and a gearing raid. We don't like leaving people out of our weekly scheduled raids. No one logging on expecting to raid is going to feel good about sitting when there is room for them to be in.

The removal of the drakes is not fair to purely 10 man guilds, and won't be in the future unless Ulduar 10 man achievements are easier than normal The Twilight Zone and You Don't Have an Eternity. They won't make up for missing their opportunity if Ulduar 10 achievements require Ulduar 25 gear.

It is a delicate balance. With the tiered gear system it will either be really challenging for 10 guilds or fairly easy for 25 guilds. Honestly I don't really see why 10/25 drop different gear. The only reason I've seen given is that 25s represent more of an organizational challenge but it seems that it would be easier to just have the 10/25 bosses have the same drops and tune the 10 to be slightly more difficult to make up for that. Much too late now though and I expect this same situation to arise with the Ulduar achievements. They actually had a chance to avoid that with some of them through the use of vehicles but by making them scale with gear the same balancing problem arises.

A LOT of things are back to how they were on Beta. The DMF pane, Arena Master existing on Battlemaster, Black Dress being required for Valentines, all were things that got changed. This may just be a versioning issue, so it's a little early to jump to conclusions.

(That, and the fact they disabled Achievement transferring "for queue time streamlining" suggests things aren't too smooth at the moment)

Would you happen to have some quotes for this? I'd be interested to see what they hint at, because as it is, most cloth dps best in slot is absolutely awful.

Here's one.

It also means that you may not be able to complete any other achievements during the undermanned run. Not such an issue with existing content, but if the hard modes in Ulduar are tightly tuned, running 5 players short certainly isn't going to help.

I think the numbers can be deceptive. We've come a long way from MC and the days of 5 people working while 35 /follow and collect loot, but you're still going to have your "first string" group. Success in raid achievements depends on them. If a raid achievement requires 10 members of your A team, that leaves only 15 spots a run for people on the practice squad. A 20-man run cuts that down to 10.

So, 30 people want the achievement for doing Naxx with 8. If you're bringing your 5 best, then it's not 4 runs required. It's 9.
It's an issue with all raid achievements, but especially ones that require undermanning or group-stacking. And of course varies by guild. You might be able to bring just the MT and heal lead and have all the other spots open. You could have only 1 spot available.




The time limit of these achievements makes me wish Blizzard would implement a "requires 9 out of 10" approach to metas. Let the healers take a pass on the brutal dps check achievement. Give the guy with 2 left feet a way that doesn't require dancing. Keep things like Sarth 3d and Immortal mandatory but give a little leeway with the rest.
Without a timer, "one achievement left" is something to strive for. When the clock is running down it's an irritant, as anyone who missed 'Be mine' can probably tell you.

This is my only real gripe with the stupid achievement. We have to waste the next 3 naxx clears getting everyone dedicated few then hope we get Immortal 1-3 times before patch. Hell yeah.

Everything else comes down to pulling malygos over and over and over and over again wiping in p3 until we're sure he's going to die in the right time.

Save the undermanning achievements until you've got Immortal, by which time it is almost certain that at least half your raiders will no longer need anything from Naxx (unless your guild is really really good and doesn't need a gear buffer to hit Immortal, but if that's the case they're probably not going to gripe about sitting for a week to get everyone their drake). Then there's no need to deny anyone loot and two runs and it's done. Until you have Immortal, the Dedicated Few doesn't matter.

My only major problem with the undermanning achievements is that they're way too easy. Were it 15 people, it would be beginning to get challenging for most of the encounters ('course, that would probably make Thaddius all but impossible due to the multipliers at work there, but he's the exception).