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Old 12/13/05, 11:24 AM   #1
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I know that some guilds when they're starting off have a list of what class has priority over other people when looking at some loot, did you guys and girls ever have one? and are you using one now?

If the answer to either of these two questions is somewhere related to the word commonly known as 'yes' would you please include it in your reply.

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Old 12/13/05, 11:25 AM   #2
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Yes, but come to think of it, it's never really been expressly codified. It should be. Once I get one together, I'll post it.

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Old 12/13/05, 11:28 AM   #3
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That would be greatly appreciated. I know that with the upcoming loot from AQ it might take some time if you decide to wait until a finalized list comes from Blizzard about the upcoming silliness. Come to think of it though, alot of the loot is class based from quests and whatnot...so it might not take THAT long. GL in there btw, heard some of those bosses are a total cock-block.

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Old 12/13/05, 11:32 AM   #4
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the basic idea has always been, what class gets the most benefit from an item, for what class is it the biggest upgrade, what class will use all the modifiers of the weapon to the fullest extent?

answer these questions intelligently and truthfully and at least 90% of all items will fall in place.


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Old 12/13/05, 11:35 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by jubelio,December 13th, 2005 @ 11:32AM
the basic idea has always been, what class gets the most benefit from an item, for what class is it the biggest upgrade, what class will use all the modifiers of the weapon to the fullest extent?

answer these questions intelligently and truthfully and at least 90% of all items will fall in place.
Yeah, -I- know this, and I have always run by that one word that most people tend to neglect while playing this game, 'logic'. Most of everything that we've ever looted has gone to the correct class, but it's still nice to have the logic on paper so that the people whom are lacking this all important form of thought can refer to when they have a nub-moment (or brain-fart, whichever you are more prone to).

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Old 12/13/05, 12:56 PM   #6
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The most important part of any loot priority system is consistency. For example, if you're going to give mages/locks priority on heavy caster DPS items (which you should), then do it universally and in the face of bitching from priests because they want Snowblind Shoes. Write it all down ahead of time so you have an objective backing to your loot distribution decisions that everyone can see.

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Old 12/13/05, 1:01 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by genjuro,December 13th, 2005 @ 12:56PM
The most important part of any loot priority system is consistency. For example, if you're going to give mages/locks priority on heavy caster DPS items (which you should), then do it universally and in the face of bitching from priests because they want Snowblind Shoes. Write it all down ahead of time so you have an objective backing to your loot distribution decisions that everyone can see.
Truth, thanks for mentioning this.

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Old 12/13/05, 1:06 PM   #8
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I suppose that is when you get issues with hybrids then. There are very few items and they all seem to be 2 handed maces that are built for hybrids. There are a few armor pieces and those are easier to distribute. With any loot priority system you will hurt feelings. Ofcourse if people want the raid to succeed then they will have to get over it.


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Old 12/13/05, 2:04 PM   #9
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Yeah, we've ran into those issues. A priority system with loose class restriction favors hybrid classes as they can roll on everything, while tight class restriction favors specialized classes. Take your pick, I'll take the one that increases the raid's success.

Also keep in mind that there will be exceptions based on the availability of loot for a given class/slot. For instance, taken out of context the Staff of Rampant Growth looks like it should be equal priority for Priests and Druids. But with how easy it is for a Priest to get Benediction and the utter lack of a good healing staff that a Druid can pick up (ah..will of arlokk?), Rampant Growth should clearly be going to Druids. Now a good priest wouldn't think of rolling on it even if it was allowed and they didn't yet have Benediction, but it's good to codify it in writing anyway.

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Old 12/13/05, 2:08 PM   #10
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yes always get all decisions in writing, I detest the "you never told us that" statement. No matter what someone will be dissapointed but if you prepare them in advance then the blow will be less. Also killing new bosses always seems to take the sting out of things.


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Old 12/13/05, 4:14 PM   #11
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I'm still salty about the mana igniting cord and the snowblind shoes. I say down with priority and let me get phat shadow priest lewt.

Greed is for amatures. Chaos, anarchy, now that's fun.

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Old 12/13/05, 4:36 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,December 13th, 2005 @ 10:25AM
Yes, but come to think of it, it's never really been expressly codified. It should be. Once I get one together, I'll post it.
I've bitched at you about this for six months and a guy we don't even know shows up which gets you to do it?

You really know how to hurt a guy, Gurg :(

you're the one that decided to trust me

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Old 12/13/05, 4:42 PM   #13
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Just because he said he should do it doesn't mean he will :P

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Old 12/13/05, 4:44 PM   #14
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I can't read what you wrote because there are too many tears in my eyes.

Sob. Weep.

you're the one that decided to trust me

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Old 12/13/05, 5:05 PM   #15
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Also, as more powerful loot begins to emerge, you can start being more lenient on class priorities. Shadow Wing Focus Staff was completely Mage/Warlock priority till we found out Staff of Shadow Flame existed, so then Druids were given shared priority.

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Old 12/13/05, 5:13 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Taeme,December 13th, 2005 @ 4:36PM
Originally Posted by Praetorian,December 13th, 2005 @ 10:25AM
Yes, but come to think of it, it's never really been expressly codified. It should be. Once I get one together, I'll post it.
I've bitched at you about this for six months and a guy we don't even know shows up which gets you to do it?

You really know how to hurt a guy, Gurg :(
Sorry to hurt you if I did :P

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Old 12/13/05, 5:37 PM   #17
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We assign class priority to items at the same time we assign points. It's important to have them worked out beforehand, as much as possible, to avoid loot arguments during raids.

To correctly do it, you have to ask yourself not only, "what class is bast for each item," but, "what items are best for each class." You want to distribute items roughly evenly (ideally) amongst classes, and you'd rather not deny any class an item which is arguably the best for them in a particular slot.

You also have to consider in the environment in which the items are embedded, and try to items in the weakest places. For example, Benediction is essentially a class feature for Priests, which weakens their case for weapons for a little while.

The primary purpose of priorities is to eliminate situations (which will arise all the time with free-from RP, and especially with auction DKP), where 2 people have 2 items, and both would be happier if they were reversed.

Actually, I just realized (for any mathematicians in the crowd), what we're talking about here is the "Marriage Problem." Nifty.

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Old 12/13/05, 5:47 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by Bad Luck,December 13th, 2005 @ 4:05PM
Also, as more powerful loot begins to emerge, you can start being more lenient on class priorities. Shadow Wing Focus Staff was completely Mage/Warlock priority till we found out Staff of Shadow Flame existed, so then Druids were given shared priority.
Wake me when I'm given the opportunity to loot a trance stone.

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Old 12/13/05, 5:50 PM   #19
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Derailing the thread for this

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Old 12/13/05, 5:51 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Raylen,December 13th, 2005 @ 5:50PM
Derailing the thread for this

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Haha, he'll never be able to lurk again.

Ray, you must have missed this one yesterday; http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index...opic=4976&st=0

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Old 12/13/05, 5:52 PM   #21
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Old 12/13/05, 5:53 PM   #22
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Guys this is an easy question to answer, from first priority on all items to last:

Warriors
Hunters
Mages
Warlocks
Priests
Rogues
Shaman

Then items are defaulted to druids, except for that leather stuff with int and strength which Bad and Smanacraft get.

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Old 12/13/05, 5:55 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,December 13th, 2005 @ 5:51PM
Originally Posted by Raylen,December 13th, 2005 @ 5:50PM
Derailing the thread for this

8 Members: Raylen, Taeme, Thud, Mistikman, Thrillho, norg, Flagrant Homo, Val
Haha, he'll never be able to lurk again.

Ray, you must have missed this one yesterday; http://forums.elitistjerks.com/index...opic=4976&st=0
Haha...hahaha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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Old 12/13/05, 6:47 PM   #24
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Damn it! I always miss the fun threads :(

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Old 12/13/05, 7:26 PM   #25
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I'll take just about any loot I can get my hands on.

"Oh nobody wants those Dragonspur Wraps? Sure why the hell not?"
"Blazing Emblem getting DEed? No sir, not on my watch!"
"Hells yes I'll take that Essence of Pure Flame!"

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