Runnybabbit

Okay, that's what I figured. I haven't tested it in a controlled environment either, but my anecdotal evidence (and Graham's apparently) is at odds with Chupa's. I reckon the HP of the tank who gets the pre-combat HoT has a lot to do with the ensuing behavior. This essentially goes hand-in-hand with the overhealing/threat mechanic, I think.

Also, I read at wowhealers.com that some folks think overhealing (e.g. pre-combat HoT-ing a tank at 100% HP) does actually generate some small amount of threat, akin to casting a buff. Not sure if I buy that or not.

 

Graham

I am not entirely sure. Regrowth generates SO MUCH aggro that I have long suspected that not only is it computed for the total heal at once, but that it has an additional (and unrevealed) aggro component. Back in the olden days I bugged the shit out of Caymdiem to identify if it was a bug that Regrowth front-loaded all its aggro or intented or if there was an extra aggro component with never a response. Which, of course, just makes me more suspicious.

 

◊ Kaubel

By spamming rank 4 HT, using ranks 8 to 10 HT conservatively, and avoiding regrowth prior to solid MT aggro, rarely does the mob turn on me despite having zero points in subtlety.

But as far as casting a HoT prior to the MT engaging, I think I've got agro twice in almost 2 years of playing this game.

 

Relhok

I have a question while this discussion is occuring that I haven't found the speicifics of and I've been meaning to compile a list of this for our healers.. does anyone have a list of the exact % bonus of your +healing stat that you keep on each spell? I know that for non-HoT spells the math is pretty easy, but I haven't played a priest or druid high enough to have calculated out the bonus their HoTs receive from this.. and I figure that there are probably a thousand other lurkers in this thread who would love this info if anyone has it as well.

 

◊ Praetorian

HoT's get 100% of the bonus from +healing, spread over the duration.

 

subscience

Yep. What the Orc said.

Here's the equation itself:

m = min( max( 1.5/3.5, [ c / 3.5 ] * s ) , 1 )

c = casting time
s = secondary effect coefficient (where 0 < s < 1)

You cannot get more than 100% (or 1) of your total +spell modifier (e.g. a 5s cast spell won't get any additional bonus).

 

• squiffy

First off, apologies for the thread ressurection, but this did seem the best palce to ask.

Does anyone know if a tanks avoidance rate has a cap?

I'd heard mention of a figure that avoidance was capped at 40%, and that over that the game took an equal amount off each avoidance stat (block/dodge/parry) to bring you back daown to the supposed cap.

In my current tanking gear, I'm at:
23.44% block
12.94% dodge
15.44% parry

Which gives me 51.92% "avoidance", if this 40% thing is accurate then the high block rate is actually hurting my mitigation from parry and dodge as it'll be taking approx 4% from each of those.

I'd be able to spec out of shield specialisation, change the enchant on the shield to be +stam instead of +block, and in theory be in a much better position.

I've asked the question over on the WoW Warrior forums too, but also thought to ask here as this forum has been a pretty good source of game mechanics to date.

 

Elerion

I've seen no evidence of such a cap, nor the supposed mitigation cap. I haven't tested it thoroughly though.

As for the mitigation cap, a guildie's hunter alt got hit by a bug, and his level 28 turtle pet suddenly had ~1500000 armor, resulting in a tooltip mitigation of 98.76% or something silly. He went and solo'd Morladin (level 35 elite) without issues. It was cute.

http://photobucket.com/albums/a277/xiff/Wo...t=ArmourFTW.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/a277/xiff/Wo...armour_ftw2.jpg

 

◊ Lord BEEF

Unless Morladin hits for over a thousand damage non crushing, there's some sort of mitigation cap in play there, though it could be level based.

If it was actually reducing damage by 98.7% you'd only take about 2 damage a hit

Check out my friend's bitchin' Lord of the Rings Art

 

Elerion

I just owned myself silly there. For some reason, I'd glanced over that screenshot and seen "Mor'Ladim hits pet for 2/5/6/etc damage", when that obviously was the pet hitting Mor'Ladim.
To check it out in more detail, I just ran a level 26 warrior down to Duskwood and charged Mor'Ladim. In 6 hits, his average crushing was 127 damage against 26.1% vs-level-26 reduction. That fits remarkably well with a 75% mitigation cap and the previous screenshot, so I guess if anything, it's evidence that the cap exists.

 

• Arawethion

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.a...mp=1#post708760

This thread seems to incidate that a crit Maul generates exactly twice as much threat as a normal Maul. What abilities had you used to test the extra crit threat?

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.