Hi Jerks,

as you probably know, paladins got a new talent called vindication with 1.9. Having 2 melee palas in a raid group, you can easily keep the debuff of vindication on the mobs the whole time. This talent reduces Str/Agi from Mobs by 15%. When debuffed, i usually see about 7-10% less incoming (melee) dmg on our tanks. Does anyone of you know the forumula how str/agi affects mobs?

If i am right, this talent is amazing. When fighting Broodlord, it is equal to buff a tank with a 20% kings-blessing. As you know, the improved version of lay on hands was nerfed on the PTR (+50% armor for 5 minutes). Going from 10k armor to 15k results in a damage reduction of roughly 9%. Imho, vindication is even better than the original ptr-loh.

cheers,
odb

It does currently effect mob melee damage, but it's most likely unintended(since things like Scorpid Sting don't work on raid bosses). If you don't mind respeccing for a temporary advantage it makes heavy melee fights like Broodlord and Chromaggus trivial(since mobs tend to have much higher benefit from their stats and multipliers - see what happens when you put CoR on Broodlord).

I am not a main tank, or even a REAL tank for that matter, but I have taken some hits from mobs in BWL that have been Vindicated; and I honestly notice marginal, if any difference in damage output.

I don't think it's really been tested conclusively

It may easily work differently on some mobs than others: let's say whoever made chromaggus gave him 1000 strength and no attack power, with his weapon having 0 dps - in other words, chromaggus' only source of melee damage is his attack power bonus from strength. Chromaggus also has no pure +crit - instead he has 200 agility, giving him a 10% crit rate on a target with 300 defense (or I guess chromaggus is level 63, so 315 defense)

Vindication, in this case, would reduce chromaggus's melee damage, dodge and crit rate by 15%

now Nefarion is made differently - the designers gave him 2000 points of pure attack power and +10% pure crit. he has 0 strength and 0 agility. Vindication does nothing at all to him

these are just examples, I have no idea what the actual stats on these bosses are - but if you can get that information (beast lore?) you can get an idea of how much vindication will help you against any given raid boss