What we found much more effective was everyone standing inside the central circle; that means every heal maximises its potential and means that if spinning up happens on your side you just run through the boss then adjust and you never are moving for more than a second.

Given the mechanics of the rocket strike, this seems like a really bad idea to me. It can be hard enough for melee to see that graphic without having the entire raid standing on top of them.

We've been using both WMO and WWS as a result of WWS's terrible support for Ulduar so far. I like WWS a lot better, but it lags behind on properly recognizing some Ulduar fights.

The very central circle? Try having the raid circle evenly around the second ring, not where the melee stands, so everyone is in heal range of each other. AoE heals will still reach everyone. Drolz is right, it's hard enough for melee to see rocket strike with all the cluttered graphics on the ground without the whole raid standing there.

I've barked this to our melee before, and it helps. If melee really have a problem seeing the Rocket Strike animation they need to back out of the boss's model. The hit box is big enough that you can stand at almost the line of the inner most circle and still melee. Lets you see a lot of ground.

This is true in Phase 4 but I don't think it's a serious issue in Phase 2. Melee really should not get hit by rockets in P2 if they're paying attention, but anyone who raids knows that people aren't always paying attention, and I just can't see the benefit in adding more potential distractions by moving the entire raid into melee range. (And also assuring that every single rocket will be targeted in a relatively small area.)

Our strat (we only do 10 man at the moment, sorry) is to spread out throughout the room. We place 1 healer on each of the "branches" that lead out from the centre cirlce (think peace sign) and then we place 1-2 ranged DPS per third. That way there is always 1-2 healers in range of each ranged DPS and 2+ in range of the melee. We find phases 1,2 and 3 to be terribly easy now with phase 4 improving each week (4 Mimiron kills now) but still pretty hectic.

Am not sure if this has been mentioned before, but our guild had a reasonably annoying issue with Hodir tonight.

We defeated him at 2m56s, but unfortunately he had begun to cast Flash Freeze at 2m54s. Rather than just go friendly at 2m56, he proceeded to channel the entire 9s Flash Freeze cast, including breaking his rare chest bang on 3 minutes, and then only became friendly at 3m03s.

Spoke to a GM who was sympathetic, but obviously there is nothing they can do about it. They said they couldn't respawn him without developer intervention which leaves us screwed for this raid reset. Just something to bear in mind if you're working on this one.

Hi. I've sort of been hoping for a Flame Leviathan thread, but not sure if I should start one or not. The fight is really easy with no towers, and as I understand it hard mode discussions are no-go atm. We have however been having some trouble with our 10man Orbit-Uary and my question is very basic and straight forward.

Have anyone else been seeing a bug where you as a demolisher driver trying to switch seats into the demolisher turret can suddenly despawn the entire vehicle leading to a very sudden wipe? We have had this happen to us a few times and simply cannot reproduce it or understand the bug to a good enough degree that we can avoid it. Can anyone else tell me if they have experienced the same bug or how we might avoid it? Again this is happening while trying to switch from one seat in the vehicle to the other and I would estimate that it happens about 10% of the time.

The very same happened for me. In Heroic Ulduar I had my passenger shot onto Leviathan. Then I tried to switch seats to get my hands on some pyrite barrel. As soon as I switched my seat, the demolisher despawned, leaving me behind to a fast death.

Since then the driver of demolishers never leaves his seat during this encounter and it didn't happen for us since then. My guess would be, that the driver seat should be populated at all times to stop the vehicle from despawning.

If you can remember the point of time it happened, it would be a useful information - what I'm thinking of is, that your situations were long in the fight, so that you're demolisher has taken a good bunch of damage already.

So much damage, that your vehicle, if the driver leaves, has <0 hitpoints, as it loses the entire ilvl-bonus, and, well... instead of getting destroyed and despawn just despawns.
This is clearly wrong if that happened at the beginning of the fight, as your demolisher should have enough hitpoints left.

Well the Ulduar-10 hard mode weapons got a buff bumping them to ilvl 232. Some are claiming that the Herald of the Titans - Achievement - World of Warcraft has been bumped up to ilvl 232 as well. This would mean that Ulduar-25 loot (excluding hard mode loot) can be used to complete the achievement.

I didn’t see a need for Blizzard to further buff the 10man hard mode loot, some were already best in slot. In order to be remotely competitive in 25mans(hardmode), most guilds now have to run 10 and 25man raids.

Confirmed by Zarhym here (second post).

It's not really a surprising move. All the other 10-man hard mode loot was the same ilvl of 25-man normal mode loot. They're just bringing weapons up to par. It's not like before this change there was no useful loot from 10 mans.

I am not surprised, just agitated that we NEED to run multiple Ulduar raids per week, instead of focusing 1 25man raid and the rest being optional. The progression path is supposed to be 25nax ->25Ulduar. Instead we have 25nax ->10Ulduar-> 25Ulduar and 10man Ulduar hard mode -> 25man Ulduar hard mode.

10mans to a 25man raider should be optional content, but right now it’s a requirement for certain classes, hi melee.

Another one is Leviathan launching people outside combat area, so they can't run back and get killed by rockets.

Launch them one at a time, waiting for the first person to reach the top before launching the next. They usually don't end up on top when you launch 2 people up at once.

This should be fixed now. From Daelo, "A hotfix for this issue has been deployed. Hodir Hard Mode raiders rejoice! The casting of Flash Freeze will no longer interfere with the hard mode reward timer in this encounter." Source: MMO-Champion BlueTracker - Nerf Flash Freeze.

My guild has already killed Mimiron, but we seem to be having inconsistencies at getting him down. This is largely due to Mimiron's Laser Barrage ability.

i) During "spinning up" and the actual start of "laser barrage" there seems to be a 15 degree clockwise twitch
ii) Is the starting direction for Laser Barrage really random in P4? Some sites suggest they point in the direction of the tank
iii) Eating Shock Blasts -- Do you guys go ahead and eat em' all for P4? Or wait for some Laser Barrage + Shock Blast combo?

P.S. Any reason why there still isn't a dedicated Mimiron thread for this discussion? :S

1. Seeing that people around the general direction he is aiming at should already be running away - it doesn't matter.
2. It's random, VX turns around during entire phase, blasting people with Hand Pulse, until it picks one target for Barrage. Tank being targeted is just more dangerous.
3. Didn't see the combo happen recently - but even if it did, it seems Laser is generally fixed, so it's not worth it to stay inside. Surviving Shock does require 2 x cooldowns from some classes, or GS, which could be used for some other situation.

Actually, if the cannon were facing directly at you and you make the decision to run in a clockwise manner -- you could possibly be running towards the direct line of fire a-la 15 degrees clockwise.

That being said, running clockwise is fail if you're in front of the cannon. Rofl. Thanks for the advice. I'll post back with results using CDs to eat Shock Blasts in P4.

One more question for the community. What is your strategy to killing off the P4 sections at the same time?