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Old 04/23/09, 9:07 PM   #286
Beliandra
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Originally Posted by Wogue View Post
On the Kologarn fight (25 man) how are people dealing with the Overhead smash or whatever it is?
Does it only hit people standing directly in front of him? We keep finding our melee getting KOed by big smashes and its making the encounter hell. Are we missing something?
You mean the Overhead Smash Tremor? When Kologarn does the Overhead Smash (the 25% armour debuff swing) on the tank, the tremor does ~6000 damage each to melee - Wowhead says 20 yard radius.

To be honest, when healing on Kologarn, I wasn't even aware of this damage, I had to look on our WWS to see it! The closest I could see them going off was 16 seconds between Smashes. Is 6000 damage to melee every 16+ seconds really a problem? Or were you getting them coinciding with the left arm's Shockwave which does ~15000 nature damage to everyone in the raid?

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Old 04/23/09, 11:36 PM   #287
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I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but last night during Mimiron learning our warlock set his demonic circle outside the arena and if we ever needed a wipe for whatever reason during phase1 we'd let our mt die with warlock second on threat and he would port outside and reset it. Might work for phase3 too with the warlock tanking the flying head.

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Old 04/24/09, 1:36 AM   #288
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Originally Posted by jinism View Post
I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but last night during Mimiron learning our warlock set his demonic circle outside the arena and if we ever needed a wipe for whatever reason during phase1 we'd let our mt die with warlock second on threat and he would port outside and reset it. Might work for phase3 too with the warlock tanking the flying head.
The lack of resettable fights in Ulduar has made me a sad panda. Thank god for 5 paladin DI circle jerks. <3

anyways...

Assuming you mean Glyph of Seal of Blood, there is really no reason to use it. Judgements of the Wise works, and works twice as well as normal, meaning you're getting back 2k+ mana with every judge. Mana problems are nonexistent for Ret paladins on Vezax, just tell him to use his normal glyphs.
I tried using it as a healadin to cheese the mana regain (yeah yeah I'd have to melee the entire fight to even get enough mana for one holy shock. Screw it, I was bored. Seriously, screw cancel casting). It didn't seem to work.

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Old 04/24/09, 1:42 AM   #289
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Thats because for that fight, it changes the tooltip for paladins with Judgements of the Wise to something along the lines of Corrupted Judgements o.... : have allowed you to master your mana pool, but at the expense of healing (90% penalty).

Its not Seal of Blood, its JotW. Thats the only regen mechanic that works for paladins, with the exception of tanks and Spiritual Attunement

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Old 04/24/09, 2:01 AM   #290
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Originally Posted by Feya View Post
Thats because for that fight, it changes the tooltip for paladins with Judgements of the Wise to something along the lines of Corrupted Judgements o.... : have allowed you to master your mana pool, but at the expense of healing (90% penalty).

Its not Seal of Blood, its JotW. Thats the only regen mechanic that works for paladins, with the exception of tanks and Spiritual Attunement
What's being referred to is the Glyph of Seal of Blood, which restores mana equal to 11% of the seal's recoil damage. The recoil damage is equal to 10% of seal damage and 33% of judgement damage, so ~1% of the seal's damage will be returned in mana, and ~3.5% of the judgement's damage. Of course, this doesn't work, so doesn't really matter anyway.

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Old 04/24/09, 5:48 AM   #291
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Originally Posted by Praetorian View Post
Thorim swings really really quickly late in the fight -- any chance that's what you saw?
Just checked the combat log--you're right. I'm seeing melee swings as close together as .3 seconds. In this particular case it appears our tanks just got unlucky, as each took three straight melees (or two melee and an unbalancing strike) without avoiding anything. Looking over the info on the fight again I see that lightning charge increases his damage AND haste--I wasn't aware of that second part. I guess we need to kill him faster in the future!

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Old 04/24/09, 6:10 AM   #292
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Originally Posted by Vhex View Post
The lack of resettable fights in Ulduar has made me a sad panda. Thank god for 5 paladin DI circle jerks. <3
We managed to reset Freya by running out of her area.

If you bring Thorim to the room entrance and make him stand outside he'll evade for a split second and encounter will also reset.

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Old 04/24/09, 6:34 AM   #293
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Since all the bosses except for Hodir and Vezax have incredibly quick runbacks the thanks to the teleporters, I don't see why it should be possible to reset enconters at all. If they would just put a teleporter on the plateau before Vezax there would even be less reason to complain.

In Ulduar, I'd bet Ressing people up usually takes more time than just dying quickly and running back. The latter also has the added bonus that you can just pop a mammoth at the first teleporter and have everyone repaired.

I always hate to see people trying to reset an encounter, then dragging it on forever while doing so and then asking for a repair bot. Take the wipe, fly in and rebuff. It's really quicker than trying to resurrect everyone.

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Old 04/24/09, 8:06 AM   #294
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Working on Thorim hard mode for ex. it's easier to reset him if you miss the 3 min tunnel timer then wait till he kills everyone. A few resurrects, if any at all vs. the corpse run and full rebuff.

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Old 04/24/09, 8:54 AM   #295
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Originally Posted by Lucinde View Post

In Ulduar, I'd bet Ressing people up usually takes more time than just dying quickly and running back. The latter also has the added bonus that you can just pop a mammoth at the first teleporter and have everyone repaired.

I always hate to see people trying to reset an encounter, then dragging it on forever while doing so and then asking for a repair bot. Take the wipe, fly in and rebuff. It's really quicker than trying to resurrect everyone.
Also, depending on the encounter and when you use bloodlust, you might actually be sated when resetting and have to delay the pull anyway.

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Old 04/24/09, 4:03 PM   #296
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Can anyone tell me what the point of doing Freya with 1 or 2 trees up would be? Since you already get an emblem from each ancient when you kill them, it seems the only way to have it make sense is to make it give extra loot?

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Old 04/24/09, 5:42 PM   #297
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Originally Posted by Whitemane View Post
Can anyone tell me what the point of doing Freya with 1 or 2 trees up would be? Since you already get an emblem from each ancient when you kill them, it seems the only way to have it make sense is to make it give extra loot?
It is a similar encounter in terms of the fight mechanic and reward for keeping up drakes on Sartharion. You receive more (and sometimes better loot quality) by keeping the Ancients up.

Also, keeping them alive is the pre-requisite for completing the Archivum disk quest to reach Algalon.

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Old 04/24/09, 8:02 PM   #298
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Originally Posted by PDXMarcos View Post
It is a similar encounter in terms of the fight mechanic and reward for keeping up drakes on Sartharion. You receive more (and sometimes better loot quality) by keeping the Ancients up.

Also, keeping them alive is the pre-requisite for completing the Archivum disk quest to reach Algalon.
His question was what advantage there is with 1 and 2 trees. On Sart, you had extra loot at 1D and 2D, and the mount at 3D. I'm not sure how this goes for freya, as I see it, there is no advantage at 1A/2A, unless for practice.

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Old 04/24/09, 8:52 PM   #299
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Is the additional reward for leaving elders up just their badges then? I would have expected a(nother) Runed Orb at the very least.

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Old 04/24/09, 11:21 PM   #300
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Originally Posted by Heenk View Post
Is the additional reward for leaving elders up just their badges then? I would have expected a(nother) Runed Orb at the very least.
On normal mode, leaving one tree up not only gives you an extra [Emblem of Valor] but also an [Emblem of Conquest]. I haven't done it on Heroic yet, but is it possible that the reward is an extra Conquest emblem for 1 and an item for 2?

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