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Old 04/16/09, 12:56 PM   #31
Exemplar
Bald Bull
 
Human Paladin
 
Scarlet Crusade
Regarding Ignis difficulties, on Tuesday along with the Buff to Ignis not being removed when Golems died, our OT was reporting that as soon as you moved a not-quite Molten Golem out its stack would drop. So get it to 19, Scorch fades or you move - 0.

Last night when Scorch faded or he moved early it started reducing 19->18->17 and so on. This gives a little more forgiveness. It's possible the difficulties people were experiencing were due to the vanishing stack glitch.

Sounds like the fix for his debuff issue may have just been a roll back to a previous build - namely one that had the melee his Crotch Pot target issue.

Question:
Looking for some insight regarding the Flame Leviathan fight and turrets (not Hard mode Towers). Did this on 10man - first few tries launched onto FL, killed a turret. Got raid emotes, but not sure if anything actually happened - he got an overload debuff but it never wore off and he was never stunned - unsure if there's supposed to be a clicky under the turret based on previous reports of an overload "button." Additionally, being on FL was a death sentence. Dismounting lead to death in less than 1 second. Staying on and targeting other turrets for fun lead to death when we killed him - explosion damage, knock up, fall damage.

Not looking for strategies and don't want to start a strategy discussion. I'm just curious about the turret/overload mechanic and if you're supposed to dismount and return to a vehicle.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:01 PM   #32
Cambriel
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Durotan
Originally Posted by Mordekhuul View Post
You say that, but you are wearing full 7.5 gear, not the mostly tier 7 gear a "10 man guild" would have going into Ulduar10. Blizz is theoretically tuning Ulduar10 for groups that didn't do Naxx25, Sarth25 with drakes, or Malygos25, eh.

You may already have factored that in though - we beat him around 5m15s in Ulduar10 last night (after we failed to form a 25 man raid lock thanks to instance server issues with Ulduar25 last night), so I imagine a good "10 man guild" could just hit the enrage timer for a kill.
Well, true. Most of our 10 man run had people with naxx25 gear. However, I'm fairly sensitive to the issue you're referring to since I've switched pretty exclusively to 10 mans for Ulduar. I would be very disappointed if the tuning for the hard mode wasn't doable in 10 man ulduar gear, but for now Deconstructor seems pretty much fine. It's really more about your execution than your gear.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:02 PM   #33
Harwin
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Mannoroth
Originally Posted by Exemplar View Post
Regarding Ignis difficulties, on Tuesday along with the Buff to Ignis not being removed when Golems died, our OT was reporting that as soon as you moved a not-quite Molten Golem out its stack would drop. So get it to 19, Scorch fades or you move - 0.

Last night when Scorch faded or he moved early it started reducing 19->18->17 and so on. This gives a little more forgiveness. It's possible the difficulties people were experiencing were due to the vanishing stack glitch.

Sounds like the fix for his debuff issue may have just been a roll back to a previous build - namely one that had the melee his Crotch Pot target issue.

Question:
Looking for some insight regarding the Flame Leviathan fight and turrets (not Hard mode Towers). Did this on 10man - first few tries launched onto FL, killed a turret. Got raid emotes, but not sure if anything actually happened - he got an overload debuff but it never wore off and he was never stunned - unsure if there's supposed to be a clicky under the turret based on previous reports of an overload "button." Additionally, being on FL was a death sentence. Dismounting lead to death in less than 1 second. Staying on and targeting other turrets for fun lead to death when we killed him - explosion damage, knock up, fall damage.

Not looking for strategies and don't want to start a strategy discussion. I'm just curious about the turret/overload mechanic and if you're supposed to dismount and return to a vehicle.
I dismounted from FL and got killed, but it wasn't instant. It was my fault for not marking myself with a raid icon, and coordinating with a chopper driver to pick me up in advance.

Our MT did it from the other side successfully(obviously he has more survivability) by calling for a chopper to be ready to pick him up the instance he jumped.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:02 PM   #34
GSH
King Hippo
 
Human Paladin
 
Gorgonnash
Originally Posted by Exemplar View Post
Looking for some insight regarding the Flame Leviathan fight and turrets (not Hard mode Towers). Did this on 10man - first few tries launched onto FL, killed a turret. Got raid emotes, but not sure if anything actually happened - he got an overload debuff but it never wore off and he was never stunned - unsure if there's supposed to be a clicky under the turret based on previous reports of an overload "button." Additionally, being on FL was a death sentence. Dismounting lead to death in less than 1 second. Staying on and targeting other turrets for fun lead to death when we killed him - explosion damage, knock up, fall damage.
I think you need to kill all of the turrets to stun him. At that point, he knocks off everyone and they parachute down safely.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:07 PM   #35
Razzberry
Piston Honda
 
Orc Shaman
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by katholas View Post
Interesting to note that Yogg drops the same ilevel gear as the rest of the bosses in the instance. Looks like the discussion in the PTR thread was rather moot. This could mean an end to the system of clearing a whole instance and DEing all the drops just for a shot at the end boss loot.
I found it interesting that he also drops the shoulder tokens. If I'm not mistaken, that's the first time that an end-boss has dropped anything other than the "Big Three" (helm, chest, legs).

Speaking of tokens, now that everything has been cleared, which bosses drop which tier tokens?

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Old 04/16/09, 1:07 PM   #36
Alk
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Rogue
 
Lethon
Wait... I had no clue the dmg on XT's heart would transfer over to him.. that could explain a lot.

Can anyone confirm this?

Also.. I've seen plenty of rumors about the boombots, where as you can trigger their spawn one way or another, but to me it seems pretty random.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:24 PM   #37
rbbrdckybk
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Paladin
 
Rexxar
Originally Posted by Alk View Post
Wait... I had no clue the dmg on XT's heart would transfer over to him.. that could explain a lot.

Can anyone confirm this?
The damage was transferring for us last night on normal. Seems like beating the enrage would be difficult if you were to just ignore the heart (at least for 10-man geared raids).

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Old 04/16/09, 1:41 PM   #38
Jakuniku
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Uther
Originally Posted by rbbrdckybk View Post
The damage was transferring for us last night on normal. Seems like beating the enrage would be difficult if you were to just ignore the heart (at least for 10-man geared raids).
Our raid leader was feeling a little overconfident so he wanted to try XT-002 hard mode; our dps was a little slow and we didn't manage to kill the heart before the timer ran out. We did get it to 1 or 2% though and when the boss reawakened he was at 50% (down from 75%).

I think we had about 10-15 seconds of dps time before he exposed his heart again.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:42 PM   #39
andastra
Don Flamenco
 
Human Mage
 
Kilrogg
Originally Posted by Alk View Post
Wait... I had no clue the dmg on XT's heart would transfer over to him.. that could explain a lot.

Can anyone confirm this?

Also.. I've seen plenty of rumors about the boombots, where as you can trigger their spawn one way or another, but to me it seems pretty random.

Guild didn't attack the heart for roughly an hour of attempts and was always roughly 35% behind on good attempts. After starting to attack it, we eventually killed it.

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Old 04/16/09, 1:44 PM   #40
Axl_Stukov
Piston Honda
 
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Night Elf Warrior
 
Winterhoof
Originally Posted by Razzberry View Post
I found it interesting that he also drops the shoulder tokens. If I'm not mistaken, that's the first time that an end-boss has dropped anything other than the "Big Three" (helm, chest, legs).

Speaking of tokens, now that everything has been cleared, which bosses drop which tier tokens?
I believe it is
Mimiron - Hands
Freya - Legs
Hodir - Chest
Throim - Head
Yogg-Saron - Shoulders

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Old 04/16/09, 3:05 PM   #41
Topround
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Scilla
We didn't realize the heart damage passed on to XT for a good hour or so of attempts and so only a couple of the melee were attacking the heart a bit. We got him down to 1% this way. As soon as we realized what we were doing wrong, he died the next attempt.

I think the fight is tuned fine if we can nearly kill him without even using the heart mechanic in our Nax gear. On the plus side, I'm sure that practice will help us when we try for hard mode.

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Old 04/16/09, 3:20 PM   #42
Harwin
Piston Honda
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Mannoroth
We tried Ignis for a while last night and I think we've generally got a handle on the fight - so I'm not looking for general advice, just trying to ask a specific question.


I know rooting works on the constructs. Does anyone know if Freezing Arrow does? (Odd that it would work inside a flaming scorch pillar but hey, chains of ice does). It seems like it would function as an adequate root assuming you could still stack heat.

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Old 04/16/09, 3:39 PM   #43
Cortabre
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Arygos
Originally Posted by Topround View Post
We didn't realize the heart damage passed on to XT for a good hour or so of attempts and so only a couple of the melee were attacking the heart a bit. We got him down to 1% this way. As soon as we realized what we were doing wrong, he died the next attempt.

I think the fight is tuned fine if we can nearly kill him without even using the heart mechanic in our Nax gear. On the plus side, I'm sure that practice will help us when we try for hard mode.
Yeah, we had no idea heart damage transferred over doing our 10-man, but we actually managed to kill him with 10 seconds to spare (with full 25 man gear, that is). So, it's certainly possible to kill him without heart dps if you overgear it significantly. We learned this overnight and in our 25-man DPS was significantly easier once we were getting the heart to sub 30 percent each open-heart phase. The hard mode, however, looks like it'll probably shape up to be one of the hardest ones.


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Old 04/16/09, 4:01 PM   #44
Sparty
Piston Honda
 
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Human Paladin
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Axl_Stukov View Post
I believe it is
Mimiron - Hands
Freya - Legs
Hodir - Chest
Throim - Head
Yogg-Saron - Shoulders
We got Gloves from Freya, Legs from Hodir, Shoulders from Thorim today.

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Old 04/16/09, 4:04 PM   #45
OnosKT
Piston Honda
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by Sparty View Post
We got Gloves from Freya, Legs from Hodir, Shoulders from Thorim today.
It's possible that bosses will drop any of the token types, and not just a specific token.

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