Thorim - Page 13

ccKep · 06/08/09, 8:00 AM

Originally Posted by PsiVen

Since the patch to make it more consistent, it should be an on-next-melee ability that cannot miss. I can't tell if it's really doing that or not though.

I can confirm that it can still miss: WorldOfLogs [{"spellNames": ["Unbalancing Strike"], "eventTypes": [1, 2]}].

Spidergnome · 06/26/09, 2:10 AM

In regards to tanking him exactly center, he does have that skating issue associated with bosses who summon adds, albeit not as pronounced, or maybe my tank is just doing it wrong. Was wondering if others may have noticed the same issue.

Isambaard · 06/26/09, 3:11 AM

Originally Posted by Spidergnome

In regards to tanking him exactly center, he does have that skating issue associated with bosses who summon adds, albeit not as pronounced, or maybe my tank is just doing it wrong. Was wondering if others may have noticed the same issue.

He is very prone to skating. I was tearing my hair out tonight getting him centered and keeping him there without eating lightning charges. I'm being told that there's a perfect spot to stand in where you never need to dodge lightning charges and the safe spots all work however I have yet to find it in 4 and a bit hours of trying.

bcswen · 06/26/09, 4:53 AM

In order to position Thorim in the exact center of the room, you just basically have to ensure that your initial tank has aggro on Thorim when he lands. The easiest way to do this would be have the tank be the only person attacking Thorim before he jumps down. Hit him with a special or two, jump down and get into position before Thorim jumps, and he will not move if you are standing in the correct position.

Malevolencia · 06/26/09, 9:39 AM

Originally Posted by bcswen

In order to position Thorim in the exact center of the room, you just basically have to ensure that your initial tank has aggro on Thorim when he lands. The easiest way to do this would be have the tank be the only person attacking Thorim before he jumps down. Hit him with a special or two, jump down and get into position before Thorim jumps, and he will not move if you are standing in the correct position.

Actually the easiest way is for the tank to just get into position, then taunt thorim while he's mid-air jumping down.

Falim · 06/26/09, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Isambaard

He is very prone to skating. I was tearing my hair out tonight getting him centered and keeping him there without eating lightning charges. I'm being told that there's a perfect spot to stand in where you never need to dodge lightning charges and the safe spots all work however I have yet to find it in 4 and a bit hours of trying.

Also, turn on walk. You shouldn't have to move much for lightning charges and the slow movement makes him less likely to skate.

Isambaard · 06/26/09, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by Falim

Also, turn on walk. You shouldn't have to move much for lightning charges and the slow movement makes him less likely to skate.

Wow, that makes me feel stupid. Thanks for the suggestion (now to rebind that key!).

And I've had great luck with taunting Thorim as he jumps down. I drag whatever I'm still tanking to my final tank position when I see the upstairs door open, then target Thorim when the hall group announces they're going to activate him. I taunt as I see him on the way down and nail him with FFF as soon as the GCD is up.

One other thing that helped a lot was telling the hallway group to just proximity activate him instead of actually tagging him with something. He went out of position multiple times when IS or Living Bomb ticked right after my taunt and once he's out of position you're going to have a very hard time holding aggro and repositioning him.

azrale · 06/28/09, 6:25 PM

We have always tanked him in the middle with the MT taunting right away as mentioned previously and this fight has not really ever been a problem. However we have not attempted hard mode, I have heard that some guilds place him to the edge, at least for normal. Anyone have a reason this would be more beneficial, keeping it in the context of a hard mode encounter.

Mideci · 06/28/09, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by azrale

We have always tanked him in the middle with the MT taunting right away as mentioned previously and this fight has not really ever been a problem. However we have not attempted hard mode, I have heard that some guilds place him to the edge, at least for normal. Anyone have a reason this would be more beneficial, keeping it in the context of a hard mode encounter.

It would be terrible in either mode. All you do is ensure the lightning charge hits a larger portion of the room.

Icephoenix231 · 07/01/09, 6:45 PM

My guild has been doing attempts without priests... (Because we are lame and only have one or two). We plan on doing Thorim HM with 2 priests tonight...but my question is about the stacking aura...would two stacks of it increase haste by 40%, or 24%? To my knowledge, most stacking mechanics in the game stack mathematically, not literally.

Flouyd · 07/01/09, 7:35 PM

Originally Posted by Icephoenix231

My guild has been doing attempts without priests... (Because we are lame and only have one or two). We plan on doing Thorim HM with 2 priests tonight...but my question is about the stacking aura...would two stacks of it increase haste by 40%, or 24%? To my knowledge, most stacking mechanics in the game stack mathematically, not literally.

Its 20% x 20% = 44%

khel · 07/03/09, 4:37 AM

It would be 36% haste if it stacks multiplicatively (1 - (1 - 0.2)*(1 - 0.2))

Flouyd · 07/03/09, 8:50 AM

No, 20% haste is not 20% cast time reduction. It’s the same as 100% hast is not 0% cast time

wowwiki.com says:

Note: Haste rating stacks additively with itself but haste stacks multiplicatively. That means that if you have 158 haste rating, you will have +10% haste, no matter how many sources and items that haste rating comes from. If you then use troll Berserking for +30% haste, you would have 110% * 130% = 143% haste.

Casting speed - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

So it's 120% * 120% = 144% haste or 100% / 144% = 69,4% cast time

• Melthu · 07/03/09, 9:19 AM

Originally Posted by khel

It would be 36% haste if it stacks multiplicatively (1 - (1 - 0.2)*(1 - 0.2))

You have the haste formula wrong. It's Hasted_attack_speed = Base_attack_speed / [(1 + haste_effect_1) * (1 + haste_effect_2) * ... ]. So, for the sake of simplicity let's say you have a 1 second unhasted swing timer. With 20% haste your new swing timer will be 1 / (1 + 0.2) = 0.8333... seconds. With a second 20% haste buff it will be 1 / [(1 + 0.2) * (1 + 0.2)] = 0.69444... seconds.

Talanik · 07/04/09, 11:05 PM

I'm trying to do some napkin math to confirm the mechanics the Unbalancing Strike. I know the answer is probably on here somewhere, but I typically don't understand things till I work them out step by step myself. Can anyone confirm/correct me if I'm wrong?

- Thorim has a 5.6% chance to Crit, and a 400 Weapon skill

- 82 Resilience = 1% chance not to be crit

- Each point of Defense gives .04% chance to crit for every point it is higher than the attackers Weapon Skill, and works in reverse for the other way around.

- Unbalancing Strike reduces the defense of a plate tank in 540 Def down to 340 (Additional 2.4% chance to be crit, for a total of 8% chance to be crit with the debuff)

- Unbalancing Strike reduces the defense of a Druid tank with ~400 Defense down to 200%, which gives an additional 8% chance to be crit.

-5.6% + 8% = 13.6%, minus the 6% from SotF = 7.6% chance to be crit.

- In order to be uncrittable, a druid tank would need 623 Resilience.

4th Edit: Now, I have a question, I can reach this number using a mix of hateful/deadly gear. However, will I have enough Stamina/Avoidance to actually tank Thorim?