TheCrunkOne

Alright, well, my guild has cleared up to Broodlord, and we're really just starting to train other tanks to actually tank in MC :P

First off, it's not really true that you need a fast weapon to tank right? I'm STILL using the damned Timeworn Mace unfortunately because I can never make it to ZG and I just dont want to put the time investment in for Quel'Serrar...I'm thinking I will just take Spineshatter if it drops because i've been told you can still tank just fine using that.

The only mobs I feel I have trouble tanking in MC are the Molten Giants, basically, when they knock me back, if they dont start running back to me after the hit, they generally go after one of the hunters, who then run even further back into the group :(
How can I handle that? I'm thinking of just intercepting after knockbacks to make sure I get to the Giant in time...

And my last question...Even if im blasting off revenge/shield block every time they are up...and sundering and Heroic Striking all at once...god damned hunters and mages still manage to pull aggro, im not sure if I need a faster weapon or what...

Thanks if anyone can help :D

 

Deril

Why are your hunters pulling aggro?

 

fishwaffle

it sounds to me like your hunters are idiots

 

◊ Praetorian

Getting a 50+ DPS tanking weapon will help a lot.

Hunters should never pull aggro -- that's what feign is for.

Obviously the knockback is a deaggro. Get your back against a wall so it doesn't knock you out of range, and taunt quickly if the giant starts to turn away.

 

Deril

and yeah, this sounds just about right. The Timeworn Mace is a very solid blue tanking item, but if you're in a bwl guild (which is looks like you are) it wouldn't hurt one bit to get something that hits a bit harder. Spineshatter is a very nice tanking weapon, apart from that it's a mace, so feel no shame in using it. Bloodlord's Defender is another really nice one, though as you said you don't see much of ZG. The knockback is, as gurg said, a deaggro, so do what you can to build hate up until the point where you get bounced and if it's no longer on you, run it down and taunt it. Put your back to a wall that you don't go very far on the knockback, and this should keep you close enough so that you can taunt it before it eats a mage. Hunters honestly have no excuse. =/

 

hamlet

I can understand the hunters pulling aggro on giants though. especially if you are normally in BWL. DPS gets lazy and forgets discipline. The best way to fix that is let the giant kill the person pulling aggro ;). One nice thing about all those guys have their hot epic loot is dieing sucks and dieing from stupid stuff is even more painful so hopefully they learn fast.

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fishwaffle

it's really not that hard to remember to feign death when you have aggro

 

XI-

But letting them die is a good reminder. "Sorry I already used taunt the first time someone pulled".

 

hamlet

if they happen to feign death and not get killed then if others get killed just tell em "sorry, blame it on the hunter that doesnt know how to feign death and is worried about losing that 5 seconds of DPS". hopefully though either his feign is on cooldown or the feign fails.

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• moz

This works quite well.

 

Steelfleece

Psh I can tank molten giants all night long.

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effect –noun 1. something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence
Know the difference.

 

ex-sheepy

quotin dis

 

Gankin

I actually tank the giants with my back to the casters. If I get knocked back and a melee pulls agro, big deal. Most of the time it is another warrior anyway. If one of the casters goes batshit though, the giant will have to run through me in mid-air and I'll get in another chance to taunt. With your back against the wall, you don't have that luxury. With your back to the wall you may get off a lucky taunt every once in awhile, but human reaction time + lag = dead casters.

And also, what type of gear do you have? It is much easier to hold agro with blue gear, as you are getting hit harder and thus have more rage to play with. If you are nearing 8kish armor with 380+ def, I'd drop the shield blocks and toss in shield bashes (which aren't huge agro but are very good threat per rage.) Revenge will be up enough from your normal def, and you won't be wasting rage on Blocks that do 0 threat.

Ohh, and let hunters die. If they pull agro off a knockback and don't feign, you aren't the one that fucked up.

 

Roane

If there is no convienient wall, just make sure your back is to the raid. When you go flying (and see the Giant's target change), there's a decent chance you can taunt him back before you land. For practice, see: Gurubaishi Berserker.

 

TheCrunkOne

Yeah, I forgot to mention I got 7/8 Might as of last night, got defaulted my Spaulders of Might(Upgraded from Spaulders of Valor, hah), so when the Belt drops, I'll get some help from the 8 piece bonus. Thanks for the help...If i have time tonight, i might try to get into our ZG run...

 

Slug

You don't need better gear. You need less ignorant companions.

A 50+ dps weapon, as Gurg said, will do a ton for your ability to keep things stuck to you...but those sods should be able to hold their wad and play their classes well enough to keep from pulling things off you with consistancy.

Truth. When I was MT'ing in this or past games, I'd let a mob kill agro stealers and even wipe the group if that's what it took for the idiots to learn their bloody place and do their job properly. I didn't keep taking people with me if they didn't learn quick. There's a huge difference between "Whoops, crits" and "I'm not supposed to just spam frostbolt at it nonstop from the instant we pull...?"

 

Taeme

First off all, tell your stop hunters to proactively feign. They should be doing it constantly.


Second off all, the knockback is a huge deaggro, but it takes a moment to resolve. If you're very quick, you can taunt immediately and snap it back to you. However, if you're having serious problems, just have another warrior come up and taunt 20 seconds in. Snaps to him, taunt it back and if he continues to do his job you should have it go to him after a knockback.

you're the one that decided to trust me

 

hamlet

The problem with the taunt is that if they are too stupid to feign they will probably be too stupid to not DPS till the tank regains control. Let em die that is what I say. They will learn eventually or they wont be able to afford raiding one of the 2.

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Taeme

I think you underestimate the stupid power of emergencey monitor.

you're the one that decided to trust me