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02/01/06, 12:01 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Alright, well, my guild has cleared up to Broodlord, and we're really just starting to train other tanks to actually tank in MC :P
First off, it's not really true that you need a fast weapon to tank right? I'm STILL using the damned Timeworn Mace unfortunately because I can never make it to ZG and I just dont want to put the time investment in for Quel'Serrar...I'm thinking I will just take Spineshatter if it drops because i've been told you can still tank just fine using that.
The only mobs I feel I have trouble tanking in MC are the Molten Giants, basically, when they knock me back, if they dont start running back to me after the hit, they generally go after one of the hunters, who then run even further back into the group :(
How can I handle that? I'm thinking of just intercepting after knockbacks to make sure I get to the Giant in time...
And my last question...Even if im blasting off revenge/shield block every time they are up...and sundering and Heroic Striking all at once...god damned hunters and mages still manage to pull aggro, im not sure if I need a faster weapon or what...
Thanks if anyone can help :D
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02/01/06, 12:05 PM
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King Hippo
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Why are your hunters pulling aggro?
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02/01/06, 12:07 PM
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Von Kaiser
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it sounds to me like your hunters are idiots
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02/01/06, 12:12 PM
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Mike Tyson
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Getting a 50+ DPS tanking weapon will help a lot.
Hunters should never pull aggro -- that's what feign is for.
Obviously the knockback is a deaggro. Get your back against a wall so it doesn't knock you out of range, and taunt quickly if the giant starts to turn away.
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02/01/06, 12:20 PM
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King Hippo
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:12PM
Getting a 50+ DPS tanking weapon will help a lot.
Hunters should never pull aggro -- that's what feign is for.
Obviously the knockback is a deaggro. Get your back against a wall so it doesn't knock you out of range, and taunt quickly if the giant starts to turn away.
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and yeah, this sounds just about right. The Timeworn Mace is a very solid blue tanking item, but if you're in a bwl guild (which is looks like you are) it wouldn't hurt one bit to get something that hits a bit harder. Spineshatter is a very nice tanking weapon, apart from that it's a mace, so feel no shame in using it. Bloodlord's Defender is another really nice one, though as you said you don't see much of ZG. The knockback is, as gurg said, a deaggro, so do what you can to build hate up until the point where you get bounced and if it's no longer on you, run it down and taunt it. Put your back to a wall that you don't go very far on the knockback, and this should keep you close enough so that you can taunt it before it eats a mage. Hunters honestly have no excuse. =/
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02/01/06, 12:23 PM
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King Hippo
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I can understand the hunters pulling aggro on giants though. especially if you are normally in BWL. DPS gets lazy and forgets discipline. The best way to fix that is let the giant kill the person pulling aggro ;). One nice thing about all those guys have their hot epic loot is dieing sucks and dieing from stupid stuff is even more painful so hopefully they learn fast.
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02/01/06, 12:30 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Originally Posted by hamlet,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:23PM
I can understand the hunters pulling aggro on giants though. especially if you are normally in BWL. DPS gets lazy and forgets discipline. The best way to fix that is let the giant kill the person pulling aggro ;). One nice thing about all those guys have their hot epic loot is dieing sucks and dieing from stupid stuff is even more painful so hopefully they learn fast.
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it's really not that hard to remember to feign death when you have aggro
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02/01/06, 12:58 PM
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Does Not Play Well With Others.
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Originally Posted by fishwaffle,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:30PM
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Originally Posted by hamlet,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:23PM
I can understand the hunters pulling aggro on giants though. especially if you are normally in BWL. DPS gets lazy and forgets discipline. The best way to fix that is let the giant kill the person pulling aggro ;). One nice thing about all those guys have their hot epic loot is dieing sucks and dieing from stupid stuff is even more painful so hopefully they learn fast.
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it's really not that hard to remember to feign death when you have aggro
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But letting them die is a good reminder. "Sorry I already used taunt the first time someone pulled".
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Originally Posted by Praetorian
in before JOHN FUCKING MADDEN
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02/01/06, 1:06 PM
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King Hippo
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if they happen to feign death and not get killed then if others get killed just tell em "sorry, blame it on the hunter that doesnt know how to feign death and is worried about losing that 5 seconds of DPS". hopefully though either his feign is on cooldown or the feign fails.
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02/01/06, 1:16 PM
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Get off my lawn.
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Originally Posted by XI-,February 1st, 2006 @ 10:58AM
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Originally Posted by fishwaffle,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:30PM
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Originally Posted by hamlet,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:23PM
I can understand the hunters pulling aggro on giants though.Â* especially if you are normally in BWL.Â* DPS gets lazy and forgets discipline.Â* The best way to fix that is let the giant kill the person pulling aggro ;).Â* One nice thing about all those guys have their hot epic loot is dieing sucks and dieing from stupid stuff is even more painful so hopefully they learn fast.
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it's really not that hard to remember to feign death when you have aggro
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But letting them die is a good reminder. "Sorry I already used taunt the first time someone pulled".
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This works quite well.
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02/01/06, 1:53 PM
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Soda Popinski
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Psh I can tank molten giants all night long.
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If you aren't a goblin, why not?
If you are a goblin you rule
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02/01/06, 2:17 PM
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Eminent Archon
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Originally Posted by Steelfleece,February 1st, 2006 @ 1:53PM
Psh I can tank molten giants all night long.
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quotin dis
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02/01/06, 3:11 PM
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Von Kaiser
Blood Elf Paladin
Black Dragonflight
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I actually tank the giants with my back to the casters. If I get knocked back and a melee pulls agro, big deal. Most of the time it is another warrior anyway. If one of the casters goes batshit though, the giant will have to run through me in mid-air and I'll get in another chance to taunt. With your back against the wall, you don't have that luxury. With your back to the wall you may get off a lucky taunt every once in awhile, but human reaction time + lag = dead casters.
And also, what type of gear do you have? It is much easier to hold agro with blue gear, as you are getting hit harder and thus have more rage to play with. If you are nearing 8kish armor with 380+ def, I'd drop the shield blocks and toss in shield bashes (which aren't huge agro but are very good threat per rage.) Revenge will be up enough from your normal def, and you won't be wasting rage on Blocks that do 0 threat.
Ohh, and let hunters die. If they pull agro off a knockback and don't feign, you aren't the one that fucked up.
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02/01/06, 4:25 PM
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Glass Joe
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,February 1st, 2006 @ 12:12PM
Obviously the knockback is a deaggro. Get your back against a wall so it doesn't knock you out of range, and taunt quickly if the giant starts to turn away.
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If there is no convienient wall, just make sure your back is to the raid. When you go flying (and see the Giant's target change), there's a decent chance you can taunt him back before you land. For practice, see: Gurubaishi Berserker.
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02/01/06, 5:17 PM
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Von Kaiser
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Yeah, I forgot to mention I got 7/8 Might as of last night, got defaulted my Spaulders of Might(Upgraded from Spaulders of Valor, hah), so when the Belt drops, I'll get some help from the 8 piece bonus. Thanks for the help...If i have time tonight, i might try to get into our ZG run...
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