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Old 02/10/06, 8:30 PM   #46
 Hamlet
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,February 10th, 2006 @ 8:24PM
Maybe as tanks get larger and larger pools of hitpoints, that will change, but I'm skeptical.
Yeah, that doesn't seem like a very stable direction to take things.

You can't just have tanks with huge amounts of HP. Bosses already mince non-tanks badly enough.


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Old 02/10/06, 10:44 PM   #47
Taeme
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,February 10th, 2006 @ 7:24PM
I think Blizzard has painted themselves into a bit of a corner by giving players too much mana and too much mana regen to work with.
There are always ways around stuff like this. As ideas are explored, new things can come into play. What if you had a mob that slapped down a "you can not regenerate or regain mana" debuff on you if you spend too much mana, too fast? Or just in general? Or a mob that burns you every time you cast a spell, AoE burns, triggers item cooldown, shuts down mana per five, debuffs your spirit, so on.

The options are endless - But they do need to actually stand up and write those tools to make those encounters. It's true you can't just make a Golemagg who mashes down on the tank to drain people dry, but you can step up the cost to the whole raid and so on. I'd love to see an epic version of the Mar'li encounter, or so on, for example.


Anyway, as to the main topic, Moz is the best tank I know and will ever know, so I would personally listen to what he says. I also really agree on Imp HS over Imp Sunder. I still use sunder if it's in line for the global cooldown past the five stack point, but it's a lot rarer after the first 12ish seconds of the fight.

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Old 02/10/06, 10:49 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Taeme,February 10th, 2006 @ 10:44PM
Anyway, as to the main topic, Moz is the best tank I know and will ever know, so I would personally listen to what he says. I also really agree on Imp HS over Imp Sunder. I still use sunder if it's in line for the global cooldown past the five stack point, but it's a lot rarer after the first 12ish seconds of the fight.
Yeah. Right now, I'm just debating the Iron Will idea.


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Old 02/11/06, 3:21 PM   #49
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Originally Posted by subscience,February 10th, 2006 @ 10:06AM
Here are some notable points:
* 5/5 Cruelty - As a few have pointed out, this talent is very useful since a lot of your tanking skills can crit (Revenge, Heroic Strike, Shield Bash, etc.).

* 5/5 Imp. Demoralizing Shout - At least one person in your raid should have 5/5 of this talent and keep it on everything you fight.

* 1/1 Piercing Howl - Great for those mass-spawn fights (Razorgore, Nefarian, et. al.).
I personally would cut down tactical mastery to 4/5. That allows you to get Shield Slam in a 9/11/31 build.

A question to the tanks here:

There are really 3 tanking trinkets: Onyxia's Styleens, and Lifegiving. Which 2 do you use?

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Old 02/11/06, 8:37 PM   #50
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Originally Posted by Xizorz,February 11th, 2006 @ 1:21PM
Originally Posted by subscience,February 10th, 2006 @ 10:06AM
Here are some notable points:
* 5/5 Cruelty - As a few have pointed out, this talent is very useful since a lot of your tanking skills can crit (Revenge, Heroic Strike, Shield Bash, etc.).

* 5/5 Imp. Demoralizing Shout - At least one person in your raid should have 5/5 of this talent and keep it on everything you fight.

* 1/1 Piercing Howl - Great for those mass-spawn fights (Razorgore, Nefarian, et. al.).
I personally would cut down tactical mastery to 4/5. That allows you to get Shield Slam in a 9/11/31 build.

A question to the tanks here:

There are really 3 tanking trinkets: Onyxia's Styleens, and Lifegiving. Which 2 do you use?
Totally situational.

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Old 02/12/06, 12:48 AM   #51
Anglakel
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I stick with styleen's/onyxia for almost everything but Nefarian. :-/

When I didn't have styleens though, lifegiving gem saved my life on chromaggus many times (especially if i was backup tanking and 19%/frenzy hit with acid on and it switched to me with no shield on). It also has helped on flamegor with the thrash. However it is as hard to predict when the burst is coming as it is to heal it, so I generally stick to "If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die, just make it a little harder for that to happen" with my gear selection.

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Old 02/13/06, 12:08 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Praetorian,February 10th, 2006 @ 8:24PM
That's a brilliant idea. Need something snappy to call the boss, though. I've got it, how about "Huhuran"?
In my defense I have not done any research on the AQ40 bosses so I dont know their abilities with that said it is good to see blizzard is finally taking my suggestions seriously.


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Old 02/13/06, 6:20 PM   #53
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Originally Posted by subscience,February 10th, 2006 @ 10:06AM
A question to the tanks here:

There are really 3 tanking trinkets: Onyxia's Styleens, and Lifegiving. Which 2 do you use?
Don't discount ZHB for certain encounters. According to our MT, the bonus gets multiplied by Imp LoH and Inspiration bonus, so it can significantly reduce physical damage taken during known tough spots, example being Nef landing and Nef warrior shout.

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