My previous statement was from comparations in Rawr, but it didn't take account of the procc correctly at that time, with the procc it is on par with the 701 SP weapons from totgc or even slightly better.

29 Fragments, woohoo! We only have Iron Council left in our instance this week, so unless we're extremely unlucky we'll start working on Yogg+3 next week. Many thanks to all posters in this thread for insight into which Keepers to leave up, even if no one can seem to agree.

Now I'm reading around about turning in the quest you get from 30 Fragments, Ancient History, and I'm coming across conflicting information. Will the console be accessible after any Iron Council kill? Or does it have to be done on hard mode -- and if so, does it have to be Steelbreaker last? Or would Molgeim suffice?

I realize this is old stuff for many of you, but if anyone recalls it would certainly help me figure out what to do with IC tonight.

It will be accessible even if you kill Council in normal mode

You can even do the quest in a 10 man version of Ulduar if, for whatever reason, you were killing IC after Yogg.

At least for a Paladin that uses Holy Light, Val'anyr will not be replaced this expansion. Being able to put shields on people every 45 seconds is better than a few more stats and spell power (due to how Holy Light works).

Since one of, if not the #1 gemming for paladins is straight intellect stacking, the difference of 80 spellpower does not make up for the amount absorbed through the proc, the only time I could see the mass spellpower being worth it was for the FoL pallies that premo and some other guilds use.

Hey guys!
We are finishing our first Val´Anyr this ID, and are currently discussing whom to give the next Mace to.

Option A is a Druid and Option B is a Shaman.

My particular question is, if, once the procc comes up, Healing Stream Totem will Shield the entire Raid? I know Druid´s Hot´s do shield the Raid but I believe it doesnt work for anything else except Riptide, Earthshield? lesser and Healing Wave on the Shamans side while all Druids Heals benefit from the procc? Is that correct?

Well first error is, Healing Stream is not raid-wide, it's only party wide. So it definitely won't do it for the entire raid.

But beyond that, I am not 100% certain however I believe since the totem counts more as a "pet" it is not affected by Val'anyr's proc.

Also remember shield is 15% of amount healed (including overheal). Even if the totem produced shields, they would be extremely weak shields.

I would recommend you prioritize to the one more frequently on MT healing. Large consistent heals provide a large consistent shield (when it procs). Random raid heals provide random raid shields - often on people who will take no damage while the shield is present. In my experience you get more bang for the buck from Val'anyr healing on tanks.

As both Druids and Shaman can be excellent tank healers there's no decision to be made strictly by class. Which MT heals more frequently and who attends more raids?

My guild is a casual raiding guild, and we've taken our time collecting the fragments - as of last week I have 29. After searching the web and coming up with different answers, I came to this site to try and find the RIGHT answer to my question.

I've searched this thread, I've searched this site...and it's still not clear to me. For those of you that have the mace, did your last fragment come from Yogg or elsewhere? It makes a difference in planning and expectations, especially with 3.3 coming more than likely next week.

'preciate your help!

Yogg is guaranteed to drop a fragment if that is what you are asking.

Yes exactly. Does the last fragment HAVE to drop from Yogg?

You can get the 30th fragment from any boss. Then you combine them and turn in the quest item at the archivum data console behind Iron Council. Then you go kill Yogg with 0-3 keepers in his room and collect your mace off his corpse.

I'm sorry to use this thread but the old Ulduar thread is no longer available and my issue has at least something to do with Val'anyr. Any chance Yogg Saron's deafening roar has been hotfixed/nerfed and no longer silences?

The last two weeks when we did 25man Yogg+1 we never got affected by the silence effect although aura mastery wasn't up. Yogg Saron casted his deafening roar as usual and we got damaged by it as well, but no silence.

Is there any other way to stop the silence that I've missed so far or has it just been nerfed? According to wowhead the range of the silence effect is 50yards. It's impossible that I've outranged the effect, because I was fulltime dps'ing the boss without experiencing any out of range issues (max range for me is 36 yards).

Will this mace be replaceable come ICC? Is it worth finishing the second half of one mace and possibly building a third one for ICC or would it be a complete waste of possible progression time?

50y is from the center of yogg saron, so 36y to reach the YS hit box is definitly enough to outrange the silence if you position yourself well.

Due to the gating of Icecrown it may be worth your time if:
1. You can clear all available content in ICC.
2. You can clear TOC25 Heroic
3. and still have extra time to go back to ulduar (and people want to). Bring alts or whatever. This is also a good time to finish out your meta if necessary, kill algalon (fun fight if you missed out on it), or work on Yogg 0 if you feel like it.

Basically, as long as it does not interfere with your progression time and people are willing, it would be worth it.

Its funny, for a druid I really don't think it will be replaced in ICC. With Glyph of Rapid Rejuvenation - Item - World of Warcraft and ~90 haste below the haste cap for non-LB hots, my amount of healing possible during a Rejuv-blanketing situation has increased, thus the amount of healing I can do during the blessing proc (and the amount of shielding I can do, obviously) has also increased. If you take my recent ICC10 parse World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis for example (tab over to my healing by spell) it attributed for over 20% of my effective healing done throughout the instance. Now, there are tons of opportunities to blanket the raid with HoTs, so this may be inflated from a "normal" raid scenario, but you can also look at this recent ToC25 normal parse (I think there's Sarth in there too >.>) World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis, its still attributing for over 10% of my effective healing.

Now, you can make any argument you wish as to whether or not shielding counts or doesn't count as "healing done," but if you count it as effective healing, that would mean I would need to find a weapon that would increase my healing by 10% to overcome the value of the blessing. I really don't see this happening in ICC.

Shielding is effective healing when there is incoming damage to heal and it's possible to heal less as a result of said shield. Otherwise, it's ineffective/superfluous healing as we said many moons ago.

To give an example, if the shield obviated the need to cast the nth Wild Growth to top up the raid, that's effective healing. If even the shielded people still need the same rank of rejuv they always did, the shields didn't really do anything by being there.

Well, that 10% shielding was the shields that were actually absorbed, too. No clue how much shielding it actually does that doesn't get absorbed.

Was it ever confirmed if WoL accurately tracked the absorb amount? It was incorrect for the longest time - the entirety of Ulduar at least.

Blizzard never implemented proper absorb tracking like GC said they would, as far as I've been able to tell. WoL still guesses.