I had Martydom and Focused Casting. It was fun for shits and giggles but my job is to keep people alive, not for me to keep myself alive and others to die.

And I know who Vhell is and he can have his armor set. I'd much rather keep my whole party alive with tons of healing rather than worry about myself. That's why I made a Priest.

And you realize the cooldown on Hibernation is 90 seconds, right? I have my Royal Seal and don't even bother with that shit anymore. Hell, I have a Shard of the Scale and don't use it. An added 350 +healing every 90 seconds is far more valuable then your combo.

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Yeah, I'll stick with my gear instead of armor.

The point of a dmg reduction set would be that you don't have to focus on yourself, you'd have more survivability to focus more on your party members. You having the optimal PvE gear setup, and whining about talents isn't going to change the fact that you could be doing better with a different more PvP focused gear setup. So I'd stick you in the category of noobs who wait for blizzard to fix your problems, instead of adapting to whats available to you and fixing it yourself.

Where in any of my posts do I whine about talents? My survivability is fine and I never said otherwise. You on the other hand are saying that it isn't but hey, it's okay, not everyone can have gear like mine.

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As for your gear, there are lots of people capable of getting your equipment :P

Where do I ever say survivability? Tell me cause I don't see it. Martyrdom and Focused Casting are survivability sure but I never said my survivability was weak. I don't need those two to survive and I sure as hell can survive just fine right now. Those two are just crutches for people that think they need them to survive. And focus fire is something that is shitty but I can outlast it with a druid healing me and have done it plenty of times.

And where exactly do I whine about talents? You're just reaching for anything right now.

I'll let you read over this one last time.


When you say "when we can't do shit when focus fired" Your referring to? People other than yourself? Ok, as I thought. Enjoy your revamp.

I would hope for Game Balance sake that a revamp wouldn't help you survive 2 Warriors, a Rogue and a Mage, Focus Firing.

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You come onto our boards and try to flame me? LMAO, you're the perfect troll.

I'd strongly advise you to take your own advice.

No, on second thought, continue and see what happens.

In the same way mages, paladins, warriors, rogues can? Or arguably druids, shamans, warlocks and hunters? Every other class? (Note, most these assume one person healing you and/or a certain spec)

There's also a massive difference between "surviving for 5-10 seconds" and "instantly dying".

The priest is currently the most vulnerable class in the game to focus fire. The whole concept of the glass cannon healer is broken as hell in organized pvp.

Err, a rogue can't survive being focus-fired by two people, let alone 4.

Looking at this 21/30 build right now.

I'd like to sacrifice Divine Spirit for another point elsewhere, since I can leech the buff off other priests in our raid. But Lightwell just isn't worth it in its current incarnation, and DS will be too useful not to have when soloing/5-manning.

I also want to see the new heal amounts and mana costs on Greater Heal, so I can calculate the +healing bonus that Spiritual Healing gives on various heals. The fact that the talent doesn't scale with gear makes me sad. Spiritual Guidance will scale with gear, but is +80-90 dmg/healing worth that many talent points that deep in a tree? I guess it probably is.

If all the priests in my raid are going to be using GHeal almost excusively, I can see a benefit to switching out Divine Fury + Improved Healing for Holy Specialization + Inspiration. I'd be less mana efficient with my Flash Heal spamming, but I'd be getting heals landing at different times than the rest of the raid, which can be huge when spike damage is involved. I'd also be keeping Inspiration on the tank, since most priests won't likely spec in that anymore.

You can't heal your party when you're dead. The point of surviving a long time is all damage you are taking is damage not being dealt to your party. By the time you actually die with gobs of hp/armor(it takes a while with a shaman/paladin supporting you) your equally geared DPS classes just chain silenced/crowd controlled their priest and killed all their DPS.

With your current setup it is incredibly easy for any high end geared melee class or loltrinket mage to come up and kill you in 10 seconds seconds. With the armor/hp build, you have over 5000 hp and around 3000 armor, making it damn hard to die with a secondary healer. If they don't go for you, your heals are just slightly less and slightly less efficent, which isn't a problem at all.

But overall it comes down to the PvP enviorment you're playing in. If you're steamrolling pugs, doing AV, or doing some kind of large raid then the healing efficency is probably superior because the enemy is stupid and won't have time to kill you. In any kind of organized fight vs decent players the armor/hp build is defenitly the way to go. Better to be alive and healing for slightly less than a useless corpse on the ground.

Anyways, this is probably going to be my build: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...000000000000000

It's built for PvP, and should fare just fine in PvE for what I'm looking to do. I'm pretty sure I'm never going to die after 1.10 hits, I should be nearing 4000 armor. :D

I have yet to die when a trinket mage is on me or a high end warrior/rogue. Except for the lucky crits from a trinket mage once in awhile, I can easily withstand their frontloaded DPS.

This is why I find it so funny to see Priests coming in here and telling me that I absolutely need an armor set to stay alive. Self buffed I have 4447 HP and 1728 armor. Sure, it's not the lol3k armor but it has kept me alive plenty in PVP so far.

You know it's a good revamp when an 'optimal' raid will have several different specs of each class.

While the protection tree for warriors is mostly ass, it makes sense for a raid to have a couple warriors with defiance and toughness and maybe last stands. It then makes sence to have a few arms/fury and fury/arms warriors for high damage, aoe damage, and the ms debuff.


Ideally you'll want to have a few gheal specialized priests, and a few inspiration builds, and a power infusion priest or two, and at least in theory, a shadow priest.

I don't see any power infusion priest in our raids, what would we do with it? It might make a nice huge renew tick for ourselves or DPS burst for others, but there's really no great value in it when the vast majority of the fights are endurance test.

I mentioned this earlier, but there's a lot of things you could use it for.

There really aren't that many bosses that are endurance tests like golemagg 1.0. Most are endurance RACES. By that I mean you race to kill the monster before your healers run out of mana. Power infusion lets you get to that finish line sooner if used on an offensive caster.

I don't know if you or any other healers have a zandalarian hero charm, but I fucking love the thing. Anytime shit starts coming down really hard, I'll pop that thing, innervate myself if I have to, and start dropping every heal I have on anyone's who's taken damage and it makes a dramatic difference.

I can't speak for you, but I know I'd love to be fighting nefarion, get a warrior yell and be able to say "That's fine he's taking 50% more damage, I'm healing 50% harder" by popping a trinket and power infusion.

It'd also be nice to use while fighting huhuran and say "oh you think YOU'RE enraged? Well meet Falconius"

<snarky>Ice Block now deals 20% more damage!</snarky>

Are you secretly actually in our guild?

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Shit let's pretend I used the name of a fire mage okay

I just made an edumacated guess from the two names in that line ;)

Priests are a pretty survivable class in my honest opinion, there aren't many classes that are designed to be able to withstand focus fire, especially if that consists of a 8/8 DS / X-bow hunter and a 3 minute mage.

I also never said that you "had" to have 3lolarmor, was just pointing out that in the case where you suggested getting zerg'd down, it'd make a noticable difference. Yes, armor does nothing vs mages or warlocks, however I find those are the two easiest classes to deal with, unless as you said two lucky crits. However in the case of a rogue, warrior, or hunter, armor is the biggest defense.

The recent talent revamp also even more so trivializes mages and warlocks with spell warding. If the korean forum rumors are real, the ZHC / ToEP not stacking will just make mages easy targets, at least for priests.