razor question... - Page 3

• Wodin · 03/14/06, 1:49 PM

We tend to have a dance party on the far platform.

Brilliance · 03/14/06, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Wodin,March 14th, 2006 @ 1:49PM

We tend to have a dance party on the far platform.

Isnt that everyone's strategy?

• Relwin · 03/14/06, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by Kerulak,March 14th, 2006 @ 1:44PM

stuff

As a general rule, use all the shamans you can for kiting. That gives you less legos running wild if a shaman goes down and, in turn, less dead healers after the legos rip them up. Just have the extra 1-2 shaman eyeing up places where totems get dropped out of place due to lag or mages popping them.

Also, as a quick note for the shaman, generally avoid run speed on boots for kiting legos. If everyone is performing up to par you'll actually outrun the legos by so much that they'll start cutting across the middle and/or you'll actually catch them on a later run.

Torael_7 · 03/14/06, 2:50 PM

I've always wondered, since we use the brute force kill everything but dragons method...how do the shaman pick up Legionarres? Just earthshock 'em?

• Relwin · 03/14/06, 2:55 PM

Yeah basically. I have a set that I swap to just for Razor with a little more dodge, stam, and +damage to ensure they stick a little better and that I can take a few more swings should I get caught.

Witchdoctor · 03/14/06, 5:27 PM

Originally Posted by Brown Bread,February 28th, 2006 @ 12:06PM

I love Razorgore, I love running around knowing I have like 8-10 angry mobs after me and they can't do anything.

Most SF/JfT shamans absolutely love this fight due to how much reliance it has on us. I unfortunately don't care for this fight due to the fact there's a certain JfT shaman who ALWAYS dies (healgro imo) during this encounter and it never fails that all his mobs immediately go for me.

8-10 angry mobs after me, and then another half dozen right on top of me. It's a miracle I survive as many encounters as I do. :P

Witchdoctor · 03/14/06, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by Relwin,March 14th, 2006 @ 2:55PM

Yeah basically. I have a set that I swap to just for Razor with a little more dodge, stam, and +damage to ensure they stick a little better and that I can take a few more swings should I get caught.

We use frost shock to help get them in tow, earthshock only if they're sticking to someone. Most of our shamans use the PvP trinketto help with the dazing. Swiftness potions have also been used by some shamans. I have a problem with most speed increasements though (we all use to use the boot speed enchant) due to catching the tail of my train.

Pretty much all I personally cast is earthbind and frostshock. Occasionally earthshock, mana spring, and GoA get used. The only real excitement is when I get to NS Chain Lightning a group of Legions when a shaman does fall.

This is also the only time I use my shield while raiding. When phase two arrives, it's back to the healing. :P

Witchdoctor · 03/14/06, 5:46 PM

Originally Posted by Relwin,March 14th, 2006 @ 2:22PM

As a general rule, use all the shamans you can for kiting. That gives you less legos running wild if a shaman goes down and, in turn, less dead healers after the legos rip them up. Just have the extra 1-2 shaman eyeing up places where totems get dropped out of place due to lag or mages popping them.

I agree. We usually run with 6 shamans and we tried the only four kite thing but if a shaman goes down, it's still hard for another shaman to try and get all the adds. The only real attention getting spell we have is Chain Lightning and that will only grab 3 mobs total.

Plus it makes it easier on all the shamans if they're having to kite less mobs. The longer your train gets, the more likelyhood of a cut-off.

phixion · 03/14/06, 6:42 PM

We dont get many shaman's out for that encounter well at least we didnt when we were learning it. So we use a hybrid of that combined with kill groups and Mcing.

Krag · 03/14/06, 8:48 PM

I remember when learning Razorgore, we tried a lot of stuff but generally getting overrun with 3-5 eggs left (back when Blizzard was still juggling with the cooldowns on destroying eggs).

Then the NA video came out and someone from our guild saw it and suggested we try that. I think we tried getting the kiting perfected for a week or so, but we could never do it, we plainly sucked badly at it. Then we switched to just killing every orc entering the room.

At the beginning we had to use some fears on the last mass buildups of orcs to win, but now with people geared up (and maybe subtle nerfs to the spawn, hard to tell now) it seems ridiculously easy :blink:

We are of course missing out on the fun of having stupid orcs running around in circles though :P

Kerulak · 03/15/06, 11:11 AM

Update:

Razorgore down! Fourth night, sixth attempt!

Shaman/Hunter kiting FTW.

PS: Vael killed us. Hard.

Euronymous · 03/20/06, 11:39 AM

519 has no finesse, so it's brute force all the way

i am the exception and that is why i break the eggs

my omelettes are delicious

Wubwub · 03/20/06, 6:33 PM

Originally Posted by Taeme,February 28th, 2006 @ 7:47AM

God the raid where we had two new shamans, five shaman total, and one got an important phone call midway through was just beautiful. We didn't wipe and we didn't have any extra dead. It's more than a rite of passage, it's proof of worth.

Razorgore is still one of the best designed fights in the game. Makes me wish BWL hadn't been so rushed.

See I don't remember this attempt because I was on the phone, but the kiting strategy is the most beautiful thing in the entire world. It's a pile of swirling legionnares that makes sure we don't have any shamans worse than Gonktarg in our guild.

Rabbith · 03/20/06, 7:37 PM

I am in an Alliance guild, and we also use the kiting method. Its alot harder for us to do it this way (no totems) so instead while we were learning it we would go and grab the Hakkar buff (run speed). So if anyone is looking here for ideas, that worked well for us in learning. Also, we use paladins to controll the eggs. We use paladins to controll for 2 reasons 1) they are self sufficient, if they get donked around while in rotation, they can heal themself and not make a priest risk healing them and drawing agro and 2) after phase 1 ends all they have to do is bubble to shed all agro and then the MT can juse sunder away and pick him right up. Also i read above that people were having trouble with getting dazed, to solve that all you have to do is have your kiters learn to side strafe, it doesnt allow them to cast Dazed onyou then. Just my 2 cents from an alliance point of view because i know alot of people look here for questions to be answered.

Wubwub · 03/20/06, 10:23 PM

You should be able to be dazed while side strafing.. You can be dazed if you are looking away from the NPC, or you are moving.