Anyone ever tried MC'ing Legionaires to kill Dragonkin? Seems like with their special anti dragonkin attack, the Legionaires could wtfpwn them...

at blizzcon, a developer mentioned that he had seen hundreds of different successful razorgore strategies.

Yes. It was inefficient.

Exploit the event so you still have a lego in stage 2 then use him to debuff razorgore

Which, in my mind, continues to make that boss one of their greatest successes thus far in the game. Having a fight that is winable through multiple methods yet manages to remain interesting, different, challenging, and balanced is a pretty cool accomplishment IMO.

Yeah we tried a few different strategies with mind control. Never really got them to work too well.

Ditto, we thought MC was important way back in our early attempts, didn't do anything but draw more attention on to the priests. Although the encounter is very different for horde and alliance, and as stated above there are tons of successful strategies for each faction.

I hate the encounter because it depends entirely on people that aren't me. I hate being at other people's mercy.

That said, it is still one of the best designed encounters in the game.

I have to agree with Slug. Razorgore seemed so refreshing after completing MC, and remains a pretty entertaining encounter. He's one of the few bosses where we continue to experiment with different strats simply because it's fun.

Attempting to prolong some novelty for most other fights usually leads to doing something silly and contrived that involves handicapping the raid in some way (e.g. naked tanks on pre-Luci MC trash pulls or *cough*10-man Onyxia*cough*) to keep things interesting. Razorgore's design allows for some non-trivial change of pace as a result of manipulating your strat rather than devising some gimmick for additional fun or challenge.

AS I MANAGED TO SAY IN THE WRONG THREAD...I know back in the day we tried the kiting strat that Nightmare Asylum made the video of and it worked miserably for us....but its obviously possible. I'm sure that somewhere out there, there's a guild that has adopted and refined the mind controlling of Legionarres to an art.

Interesting. I'll freely admit that we switched to that strat after watching the video, and we've used it ever since. It's like a rite of passage for EJ shamans now.

Are you serious or jerking my chain? We just split into four groups and assign a group to each corner to slaughter every NPC that comes out. Druids/warlocks/hunters sleep/fear/kite dragons, respectively. Works like a charm, and its even easier now that they've nerfed the spawn rate somewhat. Good training for nef phase 1, too, come to think of it.

Yes, that's tough to pull off. It's always been my issue with the Firemaw encounter--it can be an intense and precise fight, and often unforgiving, but there seems something so uninspired about a fight which obviously had exactly one solution in mind.

I find Nef phase 1 has a surprisingly good balance in the face of different strategies. The first video I saw was the NA one, where they AoE'd all the mobs in one big clump. Then Ascent came out with their pure FF strategy (and I think Jaegermaestro posted once on CQ that they initially AoE'd, but had to switch to FF when they first saw Red/Black). Our guild AoE's the mobs in two packs (one in front of each door). We tried to FF the first time we saw Red/Black and it was a disaster, but we AoE'd them just fine. There's something more rewarding about the fights where the best strategy really is "whatever works well for you."

Even our Razorgore strat is this odd thing where we have a Warr take control halfway through and aggro every mob in the room onto Raz with the AoE fireball. Then he releases and trains the whole pack of them around in figure 8's for the rest of the fight.

Yeah, I recently ran into another guild who simply uses a warrior to control for the full duration since he's instant tank after the egg phase and doesn't have to worry about agro. They seemed to use an interesting hybrid of the NA strat and some things alliance guilds tend toward that sounded highly unstable but apparently worked very well for them.

they fixed this one but at one stage you could trivialize phase2 of the fight by just letting the last person to mc him be your maintank. this would give him a huge chunk of agro making it close to impossible to overnuke in phase2. he would stick to this warrior even after he had conflaged him. then they changed the encounter so he would ignore conflag:d targets and go for nr2 on the list.

edit: the mt mc'ing him is still a good idea but gives alot less threat than it used to.