◊ Lord BEEF

Yes to the first question. I don't think it's repeatable though.

Check out my friend's bitchin' Lord of the Rings Art

 

◊ Kaubel

I guess I better hope I get Satura's offhand.

 

Graham

:lol:

 

◊ Kaubel

Explain the joke?

 

Krag

I did the Veteran's Battlegear on my warrior for the Don Julio Jr. That quest is repeatable at least so I would imagine they all are.

 

Graham

Well it should only be about 40 Sartura kills before all the mages and warlocks have one. If we're still doing AQ in 10 months I guess it isn't a joke.

 

• moz

mages? warlocks?

:huh:

 

◊ Praetorian

Grats on being dumb: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21666

 

Graham

For anyone actually confused I was thinking of http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=21597

Yea, Kaubel, you should have a Might in a few weeks at most.

Grats on being a big jerk face. :angry:

Also answer your damned PMs.

Also 03/02 BWL.

 

• Bad Luck

I think it's an insult to Kau's better judgement to think he would take that over our Mages and Warlocks. :P

Knowing that the quest is repeatable is nice though.

 

Jol

Nobody asked me, and I don't even play WoW anymore, but I'm up late at night reading this forum so here is the spec I used on my druid:

1/19/31
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...055500105315001

It's definitely PvP-oriented, but I kept my HT and Rejuv as good as they would go, and Innervate, which I love. I tried 30/21, but I hated running out of mana in PvP, where I still mostly heal (I like to mix it up depending on how many people are with me and other factors). Once you have two points in Feline Swiftness, though, there's just no going back. Obviously Imp Mark and Reflection (and that sissy Subtlety) would be nice for raiding, but screw that noise, 31 points was good enough for my grand pappy and it's good enough for me.

I should note that 5 points in Furor makes this spec closer to 1/24/26 in reality, just with Innervate.

This was a good thread and I agree with its conclusions. And now, sleep.

 

• Zyla

Lol..look what I found trolling about..

Yeah it was funny as hell. Our MT got totally owned on a Crit Shadowbreath, and I happened to have my dps gear on for phase one. It took me approx 10 seconds to put an aggro lock on nef because I was still bashing away in kitty form.

It's important to note that I was filling a gap by being in Kitty. I could hardly beleive the raid leader's tell. "Go cat we need the dps". ( I stared at the tell for a while. I would never in a million years have even tried to argue this was a good idea. )

Anyways, We're planning to see in the next few weeks if a full nef tank can be done by a druid. A druid call is scary as hell, but having almost lived through one ( a missed decurse owned me), I'm pretty confident it can be done. I didnt have a flask or any of the real sta buffs on that could have helped me take that extra damage. Some of our math geeks have been crunching the numbers on the Warrior call vs. Kitty Call..with interesting results.

We've been getting our healers used to the random cat forms by having me tank onyxia and shifting to cat for 20 seconds every 3 mintues. Early results have been encouraging.

I used to argue up and down about bears being awesome tanks and all that jazz. We are, but theres really no sense fighting about it as much as some do. Most of it is just an angry reaction to the "LOL STFU INNERVATE ME HO" responses we typically get. Some of us tend to snap back at that.

As to the debate...fully resto specced, I outheal everyone, often by 2-5% depending on how hard I pot.

My super happy fun 30/21 spec... I'm 5th in healing. and our guild's #3 tank.

Its honestly the gear more then anything else. 30/21 loses so little on a personal healing level, I tend to advocate it to those that are adventurous.

But with it, I am just a beast of a tank. I have held Broodlord from 100% to 55% , and from 90% to 35%. I've had my fun on Nef, as you've read. I can solo tank Vem (its all about taunt timing, you can time it to interrupt a lot of his random charges). I basically solo tank Skeram, with the other tanks merely serving to hit taunt when he ports. AQ is feral tank heaven.

Not to harp on the points already made (many by non druids even o.0) but really, in many, many guilds, a talented feral druid is invaluable. Some nights we have 4 warriors, some nights we have 8. Some nights we have 2 priests! Some nights we have 8. I tank the fights its advantageous to tank, and I heal on the rest. As it should be.

Maybe my guild is weird (Top 5 healers -> Druid, druid, paladin, paladin, druid), also having a Druid as one of the most trusted tanks. But I have a feeling that a lot of guilds are like mine, that dont necessarily have a massive pool of godly 100% attendance raiders, and with mutiple tanks that are so good as to make it so that the guild hardly notices who's tanking.

The incessant min-maxing scares players and GM's away from having druids take on and learn this other potential role. I think that is the most alarming part. As a druid you sometimes can't help but feel forced into the proscribed role, and you almost feel guilty when you take that 21nd talent point into something not Restoration.

This is what makes me happy about AQ's loot. While a lot of people complain about the incessant feral loot, they probably fail to realize just how bad non-resto druids have had it (1.8 made feral viable..which isnt that long ago, relatively speaking) where your best pieces of gear were blues from 5 man instances. It's hard to argue about switching your role in a guild when you don't have any gear to back it up. Now that gear exists that makes this role viable, things are really going to open up.

Nowadays, someone like me can say with a straight face, let me tank this, I think I can do a good job on it, and people will agree with me and let me try it. I still think my guild's insane, but THEY want me to tank Nefarion, It wasnt my idea. I guess something about the idea is just fun. Which is what we're all about here, I hope.

We don't use words like that...St. Louise is listening!

 

• Arawethion

Wait a minute. What happened to this thread?

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

XI-

Somehow I find the story a bit farfetched since in over 120 drake kills over various iterations, we've never, ever seen shadowflame crit.

 

• Arawethion

Eh. Somehow I think that when she realized she was about to start tanking Nef, she wasn't asking the dead Warrior for a combat log parse.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

Lagomorph

Bah, you're quitting the game in 13 days - what do you care? ;)


Seriously though - I've never seen a crit SF either. 5200 max damage 7.3K, 7.5K on a warrior call.

 

Ultramax

Can NPC spells crit to begin with?

 

◊ Lord BEEF

I would assume he interpreted a crit melee followed by a shadow flame as a crit breath, or something along those lines. Regardless, it doesn't really matter since the story is that the tank died to spike damage that wasn't healed.

And Rambar I can't remember the last time I've seen any mob ability crit besides standard melee attacks

Check out my friend's bitchin' Lord of the Rings Art

 

Elerion

What? DnT made a Furor style ultimatum or something?

 

• Arawethion

I'd never even thought of this. Nothing comes to mind, though (but I am mage, so there a lot of things I never really get hit by and have no intuition for).

This would explain the Broodlord MS thing as well.

Actually, wait. It would be really odd if "NPC spells don't crit" was a fundamental rule of the game, since there is that one screenshot going around of MS critting.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

• Zellyn

Yeah, all the latest DDDDDDDDRAMA! can be found here.

<08-07-09 02:09>[Velth] This is the behavior of a benefactor of the EJ forums?

 

Elerion

I read that thread 2 mins before this one. I blame it on lack of coffee. Anyway, well played DnT. This should be fun.

 

Ultramax

Well, I just can't recall being crit by an npc spell. You'd think after 100 days played I'd have some sort of "and I've have killed the fucker if it hadn't crit X on me before I could execute him" story, but I don't.

Of course I haven't had enrage in months so I'm probably just an innattentive fuck.

 

• Arawethion

Oh yeah, I bet one of those crazy Fury-types could answer this quickly.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

 

• Arawethion

You know, the more I think about this, the more I find myself saying, "It seems a bit farfetched to think that no spells could crit . . . but it would be nice if somebody showed me a screenshot."

As far as Shadowflame, I realized that if SF could crit (at a normal rate, say 5%), you'd have a dead MT every few Warrior shouts.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.